The word of God: jot and tittle preserved where?

am also interested in seeing more participation from other points of view, with cogent reasoning.

Your “user-handle” reminded me of another Calvinist, Laurence Vance. I’ve been reading his book, “Archaic Words and the Authorized Version”, where he lists the “archaic words” therein, explains their meaning and etymology, and gives current contemporary examples of their appearance in modern English. Half of the ones in the list and half of the ones in other lists made by non-“KJVO” authors.
http://www.amazon.com/Archaic-Words-Authorized-Version-Laurence/dp/0982369735/ref=sr_1_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1425258174&sr=1-4&keywords=laurence+vance

The next book of his I will read is “King James, His Bible, and Its Translators”:
http://www.amazon.com/King-James-His-Bible-Translators/dp/0976344815/ref=sr_1_5?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1425258174&sr=1-5&keywords=laurence+vance

As to “sewing discord”, English-speaking Christians were doing just fine and dandy and winning the world for Christ and in the process keeping the English language stabilized with the use of the KJB, until a few people that hated the Bible put together these new versions and started dividing us.

WHY ME?

In my case, I’m not a Greek or Hebrew scholar but certainly am equally qualified as any in the churches. There are others who have made exhaustive studies of same, including the scholars of centuries past, and we benefit from them, and from the scholars of today. It’s like “climate change”: the biggest wads of research moneys go to whoever supports the cash kings, who have the money that they took from us in the first place.

My reasoning has to do with what God’s word says about God’s word. It doesn’t start with the KJB, or English, of course.

(1) He said he would preserve his Word.

(2) When he said “not one jot or one tittle shall pass from the law, till all be fulfilled”, he was talking about two things: The fulfillment of every “jot and tittle”, and the preservation of every “jot and tittle”. I don’t see how anyone could see that any other way than that, before anyone even starts talking about “which version”.

I think most Bible-believers of whatever version preference may do a double-take on that verse if they think about it. I did. We can all agree that every “jot and tittle” shall be fulfilled, and that this is what Jesus meant. But that was in the second half, the “auxiliary” phrase. Until every one of each “atomic unit of meaning” is fulfilled, each one “shall not pass away”.

Not the general idea but the words of God. Not just the spirit of the “law” but the straightforward letter of the “law” as well.

(3) “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.” –Matthew 24:35

(4) “God is not the author of confusion”. This verse is in the discourse Paul wrote precisely about tongues. It is the reasoning for which Paul was saying any time an unbeliever might be in the fellowships, and someone speaks in an “unknown tongue”, he said “Let one interpret”. Note he said “ONE”.

And if there is confusion, then the author is not God. The modern versions say this right out, claiming that the “originals” are what are inspired.

Where is this “original” Word of God that preserves every jot and tittle? I wanted to know.

(5) As to “lies”, I saw a preface to one modern version (I think it was NKJV), that actually said in printed words on paper in that Bible, that their purpose for “modernizing” the language was “accuracy”, and get this, that was why they dropped the use of “thee”, “thou” and the other second person singular pronouns.

I certainly am not for division, but I am more certainly opposed to heresy or those who would “add to the words in this book”, or “take away the words of the book of this prophecy”. There are lists of missing verses in modern versions.

(6) Okay, these previous points bring me Biblically and logically to a point where I would need to find this “preserved word of God”. There is no “perfectly preserved” text copy of the “originals”, in Greek and Hebrew. None of them actually think it’s the presently available books.

(7) I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

SO
Now we arrive at the question of “Where is it? Where can I go to find the preserved jot and tittles of the word of God, the inspired Canon?”

(I promise. I did not knowingly utter one falsehood in this note)

–Alan

“Science” is a concept, scientists are only human

I would offer one more small thought. One thing that should be clear if you’ve read von Mises, is that human action is not done in groups, and is applicable in all disciplines. In other words, for example, “economics” is one thing, and those who practice it are “humans” and all economic acts are human action.

People who have pro-government views enshrine it as some kind of entity that enforces its own ideology upon those who practice it. But government does not force the humans who act in it just by virtue of its professed ideology.

“Science” can no more make any scientist live up to the idealized perfect vision of those who glorify it than any concept or paradigm of “government” automatically transforms a human magically into someone who pursues truth any more than anybody else.

For a more expansive explanation by someone who is obviously not a creationist, look up Michael Crichton’s presentation titled “Aliens Cause Global Warming”. Scientists who are in charge of institutions of “science” today and in charge of the research moneys are obviously compromised by all tendencies of authoritarian-compromised institutions.

An open mind follows the truth to Jesus Christ

The entrenched intellectual interests of today who own the most coercive institutions in our society, running the government-supported intellectual science journals and research money, are all Darwinians are “neo-darwinians”. There are even some compromised “churches” who enthusiastically endorse “Darwin Day”, a specific effort to convert Darwinism into a Biblical doctrine, as in “theistic evolution”, I suppose.

Me, I once was a Darwinian, but kept an open mind, and followed the evidence of history, science, prophecy through the lens of rational logic and reasoned thinking.

So it is not only “those who attempt to control us” but those who already control us who enforce Darwinian and materialistic universe and have no qualms whatsoever at using coercion along with stealth to do it. Hook and crook. Materialist philosophy, and the Darwinian myth were the first priorities when Mao took power in China.

This is the message of even the *truly* enlightened atheist libertarians today.

In the Reformation, the Magna Carta, in pulpits of the late 18th century, the preachers who took public lashings in Virginia rather than beg for a license to preach from the King’s governors, William Wilberforce, the Underground Railroad, David Livingston, St. Patrick, Martin Luther, the Christians of post-Christ Rome who preferred to become lion food rather than bow to a king who claimed godhood, the monk who died in the arena shaming Rome to give up gladiator spectacles, all these who were there at the most pivotal moments in the history of efforts to push back at violations of rights, these all invoked the “divine right” of the oppressed to be free of the oppression of the oppressors.

Again, it is “The love of Christ constraineth me” to support intellectual, political, social and economic freedom.

To the atheist libertarian

Atheist libertarian: If you respect the truly peaceful, then respect the fact that we who know the Bible is true and who preach the love of Christ and the power of his Resurrection, are also opposed to those who disrespect it, ==> religious or not <==.

if any nominally “religious” people or organization has misrepresented or misinterpreted “original sin” to justify coercion, there are declared and aggressive ATHEISTS and anti-religion activists have used atheism –mixed with a pretext of saving us from religion’s abuses– to abuse coercion for power and influence and to enforce their own ideologies.

And history shows that those who would protect us from “religion” abuse coercion much more so than the hypocrites who profess a nominal allegiance to a God of love that they obviously pay no heed to.

At least the atheist tyrants are more consistent with their own religious ideology and self-worship.

Tyrants use any handy excuse for propaganda. Sociopaths and narcissists use the language they grow up with. You use the culture and language you learned in schools where religious belief was expurgated, notwithstanding some diehard believers who hung on.

There is a convergence. I did not know there were truly “enlightened” atheists, as opposed to Ayn Rand’s deceitful so-called “enlightened” attitudes. Rothbard and now Walter Block have contradicted her irrational view of believers, especially Christian believers, based on history.

If you read their comments on the subject and references to the historical record, you understand a bit better why the diabolical global conspirators are attacking religious believers so much and suppress the news of atrocities against them so much.

Wozniak predicted Web crackdown

Very interesting interview with Wozniak:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJnghGBBP2Q

We’re from the government and we’re here to protect you

I just read the most ridiculous diatribe against libertarians’ penchant for knowing that governments lie all the time.

It’s unbelievable to me that there are still people who refuse to open their eyes, after all the times they have been exposed.

-Battleship Maine,

the great Federal Reserve stealth legislation (passed in the wee hours of Christmas Eve by a quorum of legislators who cared not for Christmas),

military armaments carried by the Lusitania,

Gulf of Tonkin,

JFK’s silver certificates and magic bullet,

MK Ultra, Operation Paperclip, WMD’s in Iraq,

Gaddafi’s pan-African currency plan and NATO-American support for al Qaeda against him in Libya,

Obama’s push to provide air power and military supplies and air cover for al Qaeda in Syria,

Haliburton’s deals in Venezuela with Chavez,

Obama-Clinton administration push to force Honduras to accept a leftist “soft-coup” in Honduras,

revelations (to most of us) that the great American “hero” Abraham Lincoln ordered cold-blooded shootings of draft protestors in New York, put dissident reporters in prison, exiled dissident legislators, ordered a general in Illinois to return a slave to his Missouri “owner”,

the Masonic/ill*m*ti eye and other occult symbols in the currency,

“if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor”,

Common Core,

IRS putting dissident-group applications into limbo,

Echelon,

Carnivore,

Snowden revelations,

CFR saturating every presidential cabinet of 20th and 21st century,

American code-breakers cracking the Japanese communications two months before Pearl Harbor,

Warburg bragging about saving the Bolsheviks from their own self-destruction,

Alger Hiss,

Venona Papers,

Pentagon Papers,

Bill Ayers…..

…Man, what is the matter with us?!! Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. Fool me time and time and time again, one generation after another, what kind of enormous fools are we??!! Once upon a time I was one.

The truth shall make you free, Jesus said. “If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.” (John 8:36)
“And the lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely: for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light.”-Luke 16:8

Beware of wolves in sheep’s clothing especially in this generation.

Government takeover of Internet with Big Corporate Cronies: Nothing neutral about it

Beware of government’s “gifts” to the poor, and Beware of government’s “fairness policies”.

Here comes the Unfairness doctrines on steroids. Libertarians, Christians, and conservatives will be muzzled.

PIPA, SOPA, CISPA, ACTA.

The big monster Internet giants –Google, Facebook, Twitter, WordPress, and the rest– they were all up in arms and doing “community organizing” in their content against all those government takeovers.

Their silence right now is deafening.

The public wants to know: Did they fold for this one because it was a government decree in their favor, or were they told with one of those Patriot Act warrantless orders to shut up or else?

Probably a little of both. “Do no evil” becomes another government lie now.

Like the man said, the news is saturated with the big carrier names. The little ones are now squeezed even more. Gone now is what little competition that the ISP’s had.

A big part of this mess we owe to our own local towns who rushed to grant monopolies for cable companies way back when.

How’s this for another twist? A federal judge broke the AT&T (Ma Bell) monopoly into pieces because the technology had changed, so he said.

But AT&T was only a monopoly because they were already a really big company with a big lobbying presence.

Take note all you government intervention “net neutrality” con-game marks: AT&T got that way in great part through government anti-trust measures.

Here we go again. Technology has leapfrogged way past the 1984 technology that broke up the telephone utility monopoly.

Is that the secret national end-game? A utility monopoly?

Already with these compromised search engine company giants and social networking giants, they have already made it more difficult for minority and “unapproved” voices to be heard. I have had to click through or click around politically-motivated warning and blocking pages put up by Linked-in, Yahoo, and Google. Now they get extra power over content.

Are they going to apply “neutrality” on Google, or Yahoo, or Linked-in?

This is a back-door “unfairness doctrine” content control grab. The end draws near for the American Empire to give way to the very brief worldwide dictatorship that Christians have been anticipating for 2,000 years.

Like the one saying goes, “Jesus is coming back soon, and boy, is he mad!” He will fell the global dictator: “He shall fall, and none shall help him”.

FCC says free speech for me but not for thee

Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Mark Zuckerberg, these had riches mostly based on government monopoly grants. Buffet’s geico apparently started with selling policies to military personnel. Gates counted on government copyright and patent monopolies to enforce “intellectual property” extortion income from the most brilliant geeks that could have toppled him from his top-cat perch. Zuckerberg maybe not so much. But if the government had allowed the Internet to grow organically from its pre-gov beginnings, who knows what would be possible? AOL was one of the last pieces to fail over to subjugation, when one federal judge in a very unmentioned decree said they could no longer charge per minute or hour because of an “overriding federal interest” in expanding the Internet.

Stephen Kinsella is right.

Nobody is allowed today to compete with the Internet giants. But just to make sure, yesterday the FCC said they are going to “regulate” the Internet like a “utility”. Balderdash! Maybe they will, when they feel like it!

Organized and disorganized religion – By their fruits ye shall know them

What is the difference between “original sin” and “sin”?

Organized religion is more often bad than good historically, just like organized non-religion, organized religious opposition, and organized atheism. The worst of all was and is today organized atheist regimes.

And unorganized believers, including members of some small organized religious movements, have historically been the most targeted victims of coercive organized religions and even more so of coercive atheist regimes. North Korea and some Islamist countries are more dangerous for Christian believers than for anybody else, including atheists.

The Jesuits have not been so blatantly obvious, that much is obvious. A missionary companion and myself were once unwittingly led into a confrontation with one Jesuit priest, recently returned from Cuba (run by a Jesuit school graduate, just like Stalin, Krushchev, Pol Pot, Bill Clinton, and many more). That guy had the most diabolical spirit I’ve ever felt from someone, an aura of hate that was almost physically palpable.

Nonetheless, their founding mission was to restore Papal hegemony. They have never been faithful believers of the one who said “Love thy neighbor as thyself” and gave the example laying down his own life. But they tried to stop the increasing freedom from central command and control various times in various ways. The Gunpowder Plot is only an example. Large mainline Protestant organizations have not been much better. And the “mainstream Christian” media is rightfully regarded as the most fanatical Zionists and warmongers in the USA today.

But we freedom-minded Christian dropouts from this mentality are starting to rock their boats. I have warned fellow believers that America will fall. The Bible is the biggest blasting wind against these false shepherds. God gave word to Ezekiel against the priests who were worshiping the sun in secret and hiding their idols and abominations within, and Elijah was the Ahab and Jezebel’s biggest enemy of the state.

And in years to come, many gullible and malicious will join the hatefulness against Christians especially. “They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.”-John 16:2.

The people of the Prince (Beast/Antichrist) that shall come

Here is Agenda 21 from the UN webpage: “Effective execution of Agenda 21 will require a profound reorientation of all human society, unlike anything the world has ever experienced — a major shift in the priorities of both governments and individuals and an unprecedented redeployment of human and financial resources. This shift will demand that a concern for the environmental consequences of every human action be integrated into individual and collective decision-making at every level. …There are specific actions which are intended to be undertaken by … in short, every person on Earth.”

https://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/content/documents/Agenda21.pdf

Here is Agenda 21 from the UN webpage: “Effective execution of Agenda 21 will require a profound reorientation of all human society, unlike anything the world has ever experienced — a major shift in the priorities of both governments and individuals and an unprecedented redeployment of human and financial resources. This shift will demand that a concern for the environmental consequences of every human action be integrated into individual and collective decision-making at every level. …There are specific actions which are intended to be undertaken by … in short, every person on Earth.”

Daniel 9:
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

These godless pagan occultists are the ones who destroy the earth, which is why they will be thrown into the lake of fire that was originally prepared for the Devil and his demons:

Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.