Archive for September, 2009

Coup plotter Mel Zelaya deposed himself

September 28, 2009

The CRS report is well-researched and a good reference, because it includes timelines and dates and constitutional references in turn. If they try to smear the sources, that’s called an “ad hominem” attack, meaning an attack on the person instead of the argument. No one has answered the specifics, except a few that have actually lied about the facts.

Another good reference source is the .pdf file with timelines and dates from the Honduran living in Brazil. And Miguel Estrada’s article in the Los Angeles Times, an American born in Honduras, a constitutional lawyer here.

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The objections fed to everyone outside of Honduras is an artifact of paid disinformation agents, and good ones, and the fact that the first thing the international news agency cartel said on June 28 was “coup”. Almost nobody even thought about Honduras before then, and the news agencies have done great negligence in reporting only one side of the issue.

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There are three separate and independent issues regarding the actions of the Armed Forces, but you cannot, CANNOT, talk about them without talking about the context and events leading to them.

The three issues are: (1).the removal and termination of the presidency of Zelaya, i.e. when was his separation from the presidency occur; (2).the issue of his expatriation and the constitutionality or no thereof; and (3).the issue of criminal charges against him, and the judicial process pertinent thereto.

First it was an arrest, from merriam-webster.com, the definition of “arrest”:

arrest: 1 a : to bring to a stop b : check, slow c : to make inactive
2 : seize, capture; specifically : to take or keep in custody by authority of law
3 : to catch suddenly and engagingly

It was an arrest under the second definition, an arrest warrant ordered by the Supreme Court, because it was a seizure based on the authority of law. That is the issue, whether you disagree with it post-facto or not.

You can say the moon is made of green cheese too, if you want to, go ahead. It wouldn’t be the first time you’re wrong. 😉

They also caught him suddenly and engagingly in mid-coup. 😉

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***__Consider that it is the Honduran people defending their constitutional democracy who have insisted that their constitution be the authority. Nobody even bothered, not once has the OAS or the UN or anybody else has listed any specific Honduran constitutional authority, even while claiming falsely that his separation from the presidency was unlawful. Not once!

Now since finally the defenders of Honduras have insisted on it, the paid political disinformation operatives have picked clauses out of context and misused them.

>> http://www.honduras.com/honduras-con…n-english.html

ARTICLE 272.- The Armed Forces of Honduras, are a National Institution of a permanent basis, essentially professional, apolitical, obedient and non-deliberative. They are set to defend the territorial integrity and sovereignty of the Republic, maintain peace, public order and the rule of the Constitution, the principles of free suffrage and alternation in the exercise of the Presidency of the Republic.
Cooperate with the National Police in the maintenance of public order .
In order to ensure the free exercise of the vote, the custody, transport and surveillance of electoral materials and other aspects of the security of the process, the President of the Republic, put the Armed Forces available to the National Elections Tribunal, from a month before the elections, until the final declaration of the same.

Note that even with this article isolated we have: They are set to defend the territorial integrity and sovereignty of the Republic, maintain peace, public order and the rule of the Constitution, the principles of free suffrage and alternation in the exercise of the Presidency of the Republic

Whoever objects to the constitutional succession implemented on June 28, 2009 in Honduras based on this clause makes the case rather for the defenders of Honduran democracy against the coup plotter Zel.

The Armed Forces are constitutionally REQUIRED to “..maintain peace, public order and the rule of the Constitution, the principles of free suffrage and alternation in the exercise of the Presidency of the Republic..”.

Zel had already broken the peace more than once, threatened the Congress with dissolution (and had plans to execute on Sunday evening), and that Sunday he had already made clear with the language change on the 27th he was breaking the “alternation in the exercise of the Presidency of the Republic”. His own supporters do not deny this, they are loudly demand it!

And by the way, the Constitution also mandates that the President is required to defend the territorial integrity of Honduras, which he also broke by giving away a disputed island to Nicaragua.

And for the liars who will tell you otherwise, Zel is on camera and available on Youtube saying re-election was his agenda. Re-election means not just his own, it’s anybody’s.

The military never was engaged politically in this whole scene at any time. They merely obeyed legal orders emanating from legal authorities. The Supreme Court ordered his arrest based on a list of constitutional and criminal violations. This was in answer to a petition from the Attorney General of Zel’s own government!

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The military NEVER eganged in anything political at all. The push to talk about the military is a disinformation tactic, meant to distract from the undisputable fact that the CIVILIAN authorities of Honduras removed him from being president, and that it was the SUPREME COURT that ordered his arrest.

Anybody who says it was the military disrupting anything is either ignorant of the facts or is lying.

It was not the military that disrupted constitutional order and continuity, it was precisely Mel Zelaya.

#1.Zel really began his overthrow of the Constitution in November, 2008 when he refused to send a budget to Congress for 2009 as required by law. In 2009, he collected taxes and spent money on personal whim.

#2..As to constitutional order, in the attempt to get cooperation for his fraud, he refused funds to the Tribunal Suprema Electoral (Supreme Electoral Tribunal), because they refused his illegal and unconstitutional order to carry out his illegal referendum, and his attempt to legitimize his coup d’etat.

The TSE is constitutionally totally independent of the other branches of government.

#3..In March 2009 he issued an executive order to all the departments of his government to help him carry out his illegal referendum, which at that time he ordered should be placed together with the other three ballot boxes in November. Whence the “cuarta urna”. The referendum was to ask whether there should be a “constituyente”, or “constitutional assembly”, to write a completely new constitution. More on that in a minute.

Precisely because of the biggest problem for Honduras historically of ELECTED presidents refusing to give up power and not just military presidents, they made no provision for any such “constituyente”.

It’s easier to amend than in the USA, but there are only seven or eight articles that are designated “petreos”, “unchangeable (inalterable)”. Not only can they not be changed, no amendments are allowed that modify their effect.

One effect of them is, the territorial integrity of Honduras (Zel broke that one).
Two, the guarantee of a “republican form of government”. (Zel was already ruling by decree)
Three, the ban that says anyone who has been president cannot be president again. (OR EVEN PROMOTE reelection for anyone). Zel is caught on video promoting the re-election of presidents.

–Like Micheletti said in one interview, if anyone is a president in Honduras even for ONE DAY, he can never be president again.

#4.In May he changed the order issued earlier, and moved the date up to June 28, 2009, ordering his government to cooperate. Since the only constitutional body permitted to run any such referendum had refused because it was a constitutional violation, and the Judicial had declared it illegal, he said he was using the Statistics Department to run it.

Note that this meant he and his hand-picked accessories to crime would -a-organize this referendum, -b-staff the polling places with their own personnel, -c-count the results, and -d-announce the results.

During May and June there were a number of legal moves initiated by the Attorney General, and consequent court orders against carrying out this illegal and unconstitutional act, and declaring that cooperating with this abuse of power was a crime. The dates are easy to find.

#5.The violent mob: Leading up to June 25, 2009, because Zel was not able to find a print shop in Honduras willing to commit the crime of aiding his coup, the “ballots” for his illegal referendum arrived at the Toncontin Airport and were immediately confiscated by judicial order and taken to storage. On that Wednesday, Zel got about a thousand people together and marched to the base and broke in for them.

#6..In view of repeated and several constitutional violations and crimes, the Supreme Court on June 25, ordered his arrest, to be carried out at a time deemed most appropriate to avoid danger to life and limb.

The Constitution most definitely DOES invest the authority to execute arrest warrants because one of the duties in the self same Article 272, quoted by this misguided writer, is precisely to assist the police in maintaing public order:

..Cooperate with the National Police in the maintenance of public order…

You see, on June 26, that Saturday, Mel changed the title of the referendum to eliminate the November date, so he could get fradulent cover to immediately dissolve the Congress and call for the “constituyente”, counting also on the unfettered violence of his foloowers and the millions in lempiras stolen from the national treasury and from the Central Bank.

It is obvious now especially that this was his plan all along.

In view of the fact that there were already scores and hundreds of Nicaraguans and Venezuelans in the country, and he was getting direction from Caracas, the situation encountered upon execution of the arrest warrant was and unknown and likely beyond the capability of the police, therefore the services of the military forces were required, as not only permitted by Article 272 but most clearly and unambiguously mandated by it.

Trying to pretend it says something other than what it says and seeing if it sticks is no argument. Orwellian Newspeak dictionaries are not allowed here.

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Given the history of Honduras, anyone should be ashamed of supporting the coup plotter Mel Zelaya, who was already running the government by decree. Ashamed of repeating a lie about the Honduran Armed Forces who refused to participate in Zelaya’s coup d’etat against democratic constitutional order.

Even though he had tried to buy them off by doubling their budget.

In fact, with Mel’s attack on the Honduran Constitution and its republic and the orderly succession of presidential power, and his invitation to foreign enemies of Honduras to aid in this coup d’etat, there is another Article in the Honduran Constitution that authorizes anybody and everybody to rise up against this disorder and restore constitutional order.

It’s one that in the backwards upside down world of socialist dictators, Mel Zelaya is invoking to provoke his mob to violence as we speak. It’s one of the “articulos petreos”, the unchangeable and inalterable articles:

ARTICULO 3.- Nadie debe obediencia a un gobierno usurpador ni a quienes asuman funciones o empleos públicos por la fuerza de las armas o usando medios o procedimientos que quebranten o desconozcan lo que esta Constitución y las leyes establecen. Los actos verificados por tales autoridades son nulos. el pueblo tiene derecho a recurrir a la insurrección en defensa del orden constitucional.

It says nobody owes obeisance to a usurper government, and Mel had converted himself from elected president into usurper.

Since he his coup was already underway and his fraud occuring that Sunday, EVERYBODY in Honduras was authorized constitutionally to rise up against him.

The reason for this was for the case in which all other authorized means failed against a dictator.

So in Honduras, for example, even if a Chavista were successful in stacking the deck all around like Chavez has in Venezuela, and calling a constituyente, that new socialist dictator-friendly constitution would be null and void.

I’ll put something together in the next few days with the specific constitution articles together another day..

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EXILE:

If you were the renegade non-president, deposed automatically by Article 239, and arrested, and given the choice of going to prison or going to exile after signing your resignation, which one would you choose?

It has been observed by alert eyes that the first time Zel was asked whether he had signed the resignation, he avoided answering. The second time later he was asked, he gave a nebulous ambiguous answer. Not until his advisers had got ahold of him did he say straight out that he had not.

That said, the all the civilian authorities have rushed to say this was illegal, so there is no dispute there. (Although I think there are constitutional defenses for it, another subject).

So help them rectify the only error in this picture and apprehend this criminal and return him to the proper authorities for his criminal trial and day in court.

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Anybody who says this:

>>…Because the history of Honduras is unfortunately plagued with military intervention and power grabs at the point of a gun….It’s the Honduran way, and it happened all over again.

… shows a total abysmal even intentional

    ignorance about the situation in Honduras.

    The military did not hold power for ONE SECOND at any time in Honduras. The country was without a president or vice president fromt the time of Mel’s overthrow of the Constitutional order until the Congress voted to recognize the constitutional succession and Micheletti as president on June 28, 2009.

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    –Alan

Zelaya Wants More Protests: Still wants his coup

September 26, 2009

See here, from today September 25, 2009, Mel continues to show he never ever intended to negotiate anything, he never did accept the Arias accord, and he continues to do all the damage he can to his country, with his mentor and master Chavez pushing him on:

http://pensieve.aeortiz.com/2009/09/25/zelaya-wants-more-protests/

And if anybody tells you again that Mel’s “survey” was “non-binding” and he wasn’t supporting “re-election”, hear it for yourself right here:

http://pensieve.aeortiz.com/2009/09/24/video-proof-zelaya-sought-reelection/

His operatives spread false lies the other day that they were going to go into the embassy and get him, it was meant to incite the riots. They gouged the eye out of one policeman, they broke the limbs of others, there are numerous police in the hospitals. They were attacking them at random wherever they could get away with it.

And Brazil joins in active agression and violating international law by supporting his harangues and his inciting to violence to followers from the safe zone of their harbor, their embassy. The Brazilian government of Lula has just lost all credibility with Brazilians.

You can’t tell me that Zeliar went into Tegus, the capital of Honduras, without an arranged place to go ahead of time. Brazil is pretending they were caught off guard. Ha, yeah, fat chance.

Zeliar is also tight-lipped about who helped him, but I suspect this over-pampered mega-rancher who grew up with more land than he can look at in a lifetime, he couldn’t have done anything by himself. He had help from people who know how to sneak around, how to be quiet, how to disguise themselves.

And that ain’t any of his followers, even if you paid them. (He pays his rioters well). He’s not that smart either, the brains behind him was Patricia Rodas (or was that Patricia Rhodes, eh?). She was his secretary of state, was because he’s no longer president. Elvin Santos warned zeliar about her.

It was probably her hiding under the bed that night…

–aec

Mary O’Grady: Hillary’s Honduras Obsession – WSJ.com

September 23, 2009

There will be elections [in Honduras] whether the world recognizes them or not.

September 21, 2009

From this August 25, 2009 news article from La Prensa in Honduras:

“Habrá elecciones lo reconozca o no el mundo” – Apertura – LaPrensa.hn

There will be elections [in Honduras] whether the world recognizes them or not.

Michelletti welcomed the mission of the chancellors from various states of the OAS, explained a bit about the country. But he also first admonished Insulza that he should just sit back and listen, because he had rushed in at first just to give orders and listen to nothing.

What also caught my eye though was this (translated by yours truly):

“Before the meeting with the chancellors, Micheletti received a delgation from Guatemala integrated by businessmen Rodolfo Luna, Carlos Rivera, and Luis Pedro Toledo, Mario Antonio Sandoval –one of the owners of the daily newspaper Prensa Libre-,-the president of the Supreme Electoral Tribunal, María Eugenia Villagrán, and magistrate of the Supreme Court, Vladimir Aguilar.

Rodolfo Luna, president of a pharmaceutical group, said this was a “visit we made in support of the president of Honduras and to express admiration for the people of Honduras who have shown an example to Latin America of the way to defend the sovereignty of a nation with dignity.”

Way to go, Honduras!

–trutherator

The inmates have taken over the asylum!

September 20, 2009

“Borrowed” from a forum of expats who live in Honduras:

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran is expected to address the UN next week.

Muammar al-Qaddafi of Libya is expected to address the UN next week.

Hugo Chavez of Venezuela is expected to address the UN next week.

Evo Morales of Bolivia will be at the UN next week.

Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe is expected to address the UN next week.

Daniel Ortega of Nicaragua will be at the UN next week.

So why can’t the constitutional President Roberto Micheletti of Honduras attend? Because the US won’t give him a visa.

Unbelieveable.

A study in self-contradiction

September 20, 2009

There is an interesting list of items posted in a this comment on the WSJ article page found here, titled “Mandatory Insurance is Unconstitutional”.

It inspired a line of thought.

*** Control over my own body:
The same suspects that claim to want freedom over their own bodies are demanding a total federal takeover of those bodies in the centralized control over socialist health care.

*** Clean energy:
The same suspects that control clean energy research leave the best promising science without a penny from them:

http://www.newenergytimes.com/

http://www.infinite-energy.com/

*** Just reason with the unreasonable:
In foreign policy they say we can just talk the bad guys into being nice, but domestically we have to shut down talk radio, put criminal praying Christians in jail for violating religious freedom.

*** Control over our lives:
They want government to stop controlling our lives, unless it’s for the environment, the poor, to promote prenatal infanticide, what kind of mouse makes your backyard pond off-limits, yadayadayada….

*** The poor:
They say they are for the poor, but everywhere they have control over them, the poor have more poverty, more disease, more lack of care, more crime.

*** Racial minorities:
They say they want better conditions and opportunities for racial minorities, and yet where they have had control over the inner cities of America or the Montagnard of South Vietnam, they are worse off than ever.

*** Guns:
They say they want to stop gun violence, yet they want to confiscate the only defense a decent citizen has against gun violence. (Hint: what do the military and the police use to repel gun violence?)

*** Human rights:
Amnesty International says it acts against human rights abuses by the government and the paramilitary in places like Columbia, but they have done little to nothing about the violation of Communist abusers like the FARC in Columbia.

*** Religious freedom:
In the name of religious freedom the ACLU does its best to ensure that the only group allowed an establishment of religion is the one that bans God from all hints of existence.

*** The constitution:
Every time they break the constitution, they claim it’s constitutional.
They want to kill the Constitution, so they call it a “living document”. (Newspeak dictionary editors are very proud).

*** Protect the innocent indeed:
They say they would rather see 99 guilty go free than see one innocent man burned… except for anybody who disagrees with their government-control policies..

*** Security:
They claim to be for freedom but know not what they do (except for the ones that do who are blatantly lying to us).

Ben Franklin said:

“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

–A version more appropriate to the debate about socialist health care being pushed by our new socialist rulers, from a variant by Franklin in Poor Richard’s Almanack (1738): ”

Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor Liberty to purchase power.”

Now it’s a new twist. Turn in your body and we’ll take care of it… Just trust us…

—trutherator

CNN’s premature broadcast: Hondurans know about that

September 20, 2009

CNN recently broadcast on the air a report that the Coast Guard was firing on naval vessels unknown in the D.C. area, and then had to apologize. It was a training and practice exercise.

Hondurans already know first-hand CNN’s propensity for reporting before knowing the matter, and then persisting when corrected.

Among the many American expats in Honduras and others with connections to this proud example of democracy in Central America, in shining contrast to the socialism-afflicted neighbor Nicaragua, there are self-described “progressives” and votes for Obama who anguished and confused at the support of the Obama administration and Dem Party congressmen for socialist Chavez-buddy coup plotter Mel Zelaya, who tried to overthrow the Honduras constitution, democracy, and government there.

These liberals have written their own Dem Party state senators and representatives in the United States and cannot fathom why they get no response at all, let alone a listening ear to someone in the middle of the action, while those with Republican congressmen are encouraged by the support they hear for the true constitutional republic alive and well in “free, democratic, and independent Honduras”.

Take note demagogues: this writer trusts neither of the two-faced party cartel now in nominal control of the US.

CNN reported a “coup” on June 28, 2009 before they even knew what happened, even with previous reports from Honduras about Zelaya’s illegal activities, dutifully under-reported. Coup plotter Mel at the time of his arrest was told to get dressed but refused, having been prepped by his coup-plotting advisers beforehand on how to pretend to be the victim.

On June 28, 2009, the only Honduran experts they could find supported Zelaya’s arrest as a criminal, and insisted the transition was absolutely democratic and constitutional, so when they went back to saying Mel’s ouster was a “coup”, they knew it was not.

They had to report the demonstration of June 30, 2009, when probably a million –one-fifth the Honduran population– marched in the streets of the whole nation demanding that the world listen to the truth, with 500,000 in San Pedro Sula alone…

CNN, and the rest of Doublespeak Media Cartel, still today pretends there is a real movement to bring Mel Zelaya back to Honduras. It is important to note that they actively, purposefully, and with premeditated malice, cover up the overwhelming popular support for the present THREE-branch government, of whom only one-third is headed by President Micheletti.

They also have heard the truth, they have a big staff in CNN-Espanol that can understand the Honduran Constitution, so they could give air time to what they know is the truth and instead just repeat the officiial New World Order lies.

They cover up OAS Secy-Genl Insulza’s Communist anti-democratic history, which start in the openly Marxist regime of Allende in Chile, where looky here, Allende was organizing his own auto-coup under cover of another “constitutional assembly” to rewrite their constitution.

Here’s a blatant outright CNN lie. On June 28, 2009, they said on air repeatedly that their own signal was blocked in Honduras. This broadcast was recorded in Honduras, and our friends in Honduras told us they watched it with unbelief.

Here’s another blatant CNN lie by criminally negligent reporting. Criminal because they know the truth, and broadcast the lie without the other side of the story. There are companies in America that have sued network broadcasts for less under criminal libel laws.

That lie was the blatantly false “report” from the so-called UN Commission on Human Rights in Honduras, saying that the opposition was censored, naming at least one specific radio broadcaster that has emitted non-stop vitriol against the constitutional order and demanded that coup plotter Mel Zelaya be restored to power.

CNN and its media siblings lie when it talks about “resistance” in Honduras, which no longer exists except for isolated incidents from some handfuls.

Doublespeak Liars Media also tells you there’s been dozens of murders since they stopped Mel’s coup plot. There are fewer murders now than there were before, but they don’t tell you that.

They don’t tell you about the bloody massacre of a dozen nuns and priests by his father, angry at the rejection of one of the nuns, where their blood cries out now against this coup plotter Mel himself. They don’t tell you about Mel’s son murdering Elvin Santo’s son, a fellow Liberal Party member and now presidential candidate for the November 2009 elections.

Doublespeak Liars Media told you unions are going on strike in Honduras and demanding Mel’s return. But it’s only the government-school teachers’ union that has gone on strike. And they don’t tell you that the same teachers’ union went on strike at least 115 times against the Zelaya regime, by count! And they don’t tell you that the great majority of teachers were back in classrooms early on…

They dutifully report the opinion of “experts” who say Obama just wants to avoid looking like the bully down south.

Such racist chauvinism comes so natural to socialist non-thinkers, they can’t help let it show sometimes. Talking as if Latins aren’t in the room, don’t matter.

Hondurans are watching the United States join the bullies in beating up the Honduran people, and helping attempts to overthrow democracy there in favor of an outspoken and blatant socialist who shocked his own countrymen by joining the Castro-Chavez dictators’ club.

Most Honduran-Americans voted for Obama I suspect, but overnight the Obama regime converted them into another fierce anti-Obama political force, adn turn a lot of them into Republicans, to add to almost all the Venezuelan-Americans and Nicaraguan-Americans and Cuban-Americans.

Latins know who the real bullies are.

The Honduras situation today shows that the Latin democracy in Honduras is actually stronger than anywhere else, in my opinion, at the least compared to Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador, Argentina, and Nicaragua.

And Cuba, which almost got an invitation to rejoin that same OAS that condemns Hondurans’ defense of democracy.

See one of the prime powerful movers behind the modern resurgence of socialism, one of the unofficial ruling Commisars of socialism, who got praise for returning to the poor a pittance of what he robbed from them:
http://www.daylife.com/topic/George_Soros/photos/all/1

See who the real astroturf agitators are here, pledging $5 million to push socialist health care:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/10/george-soros-pledges-5-mi_n_255482.html

Get the real story about Honduras here, from an American woman living in Honduras:

http://lagringasblogicito.blogspot.com

–aec

Go read this eye-opening perspective on Honduras!

September 18, 2009

The big American schoolyard bully is back, pushing his weight around in Latin America! Obama has broken his promise to treat Latin American nations as equals!

Why did the US Ambassador in Honduras try to force Honduras to accept an illegal, unconstitutional, undemocratic coup d’etat overthrow attempt by Mel Zelaya?

See details here from LaGringa, from Honduras:

President-Obamas-Broken-Pledge.html

God bless Honduras! In my opinion, this is one of the finest moments in their history!

–Alan

Meet the face of socialism

September 13, 2009

weblog
Meet the face of socialism

Find a real good bio of one the biggest drivers of international and national socialism in the world here:

George Soros – NS Profile NEIL CLARK / New Statesman 2jun03

–aec

No Doublespeak excuses: To avoid looking the bully, support free Honduras!

September 12, 2009

…and condemn the bullies instead of joining them!

(In the category of why you can’t believe a lot of what you read in the papers anymore, or what you hear on TV network news, or radio…)

Actually heard on NPR, a commentator said he “sympathizes” with Obama for wanting to avoid the appearance of a bully in his condemnation of the “coup” (his word) in Honduras.

So what, does he think Latins are stupid!? What a racist, elitist, crass, heartless thing to say! Hondurans know full well who the bullies are, and the United States and Obama included will rue the day they joined the bullies against the people of Honduras!

Venezuelans and Ecuadorians and Bolivians are not stupid either! In Spanish-language forums across the Internet and worldwide, Hispanics and freedom-minded people from everywhere are congratulating the Honduran people for their stand for democracy, for freedom, against the creeping tyranny of international and national socialism!

It was on NPR’s “All Things Considered”, where no assault on logic is too absurd to hear as long as the politics are approved…

..The subject of Honduras came up and they repeated the usual backward inside-out upside-down Officially Approved Media Line about the “coup” in Honduras. Backwards because the coup plotters were Mel Zelaya and Hugo Chavez.

One of the members of this panel actually said he “sympathizes with Obama” in condemning the coup because he wants to avoid being seen as the “bully” in Latin America.

I got news. Latin Americans are not so stupid as to fall for such a flimsy excuse for supporting socialist dictators and their overthrow of republican democracies in the region!

And Hondurans are not so stupid, stupid, stupid. But maybe he’s just talking out the Pavlov school of indoctrination, where anything dictatorial left or socialist is good, and anything dictatoria right is bad.

So does Obama support elected presidents overthrowing democracy and bullying their entire populations or not?

Two callers, one of them from Honduras, made the case that of course, that since the removal of coup-plotter Mel Zelaya was legal and constitutional that it was not a coup.

Mel Zelaya had already executed his own coup. He was __1__already ruling by presidential decree, __2__stopped enforcing the law, __3__tried to crimp the independent authority for running elections by robbing its budget, __4__ignored the cease and desist order from the Supreme Court, calling them “pipsqueak” judges, __5__acted as if he had won a court challenge that he had lost, __6__led a violent mob to break into the storage facility where his illegal “ballots” (brought in from Venezuela) had been stored, __7__persisted in his constitutional convention, on and on.

So in ordering his arrest for treason, the Supreme Court recognized that the dictator Zelaya had already removed himself from being president of Honduras, according to Article 239 of its constitution.

They did not arrest a president on June 28, 2009, they arrested a common citizen who had “immediately ceased” being president as soon as he proposed placing –in his own publicly recorded words– the issue of re-election of president to change as part of his fraudulent supposed constitutional convention. The order of arrest was a factual recognition of this condition.

Some say then why wasn’t he taken before a court for a trial. The current president and the other civil authorities in Honduras agree, and insist that he turn himself into the proper policing authorities to answer for the long list of crimes against the people of Honduras.

–Alan