Posts Tagged ‘Gun’

Right to Bear Arms: The Legal Question

November 17, 2013

I’m not trying to be argumentative, just curious. The current Court has struck down most recent attempts of states and municipalities to regulate arms. The NRA wages legal and electoral campaigns against anyone who breathes a hint to restrain a “right to bear arms“. The U.S. Congress, as well as the President, refuses to consider any restrictions.


The Supreme Court in the past few decades, has trashed the Constitution and allowed lots of infringing against the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

Finally Illinois forced the issue with an obvious hit against the collectivist misinterpretation, and ruled that it was an individual right, not a state militia right.

[Cue the snicker sound track here.] After all, if the right to bear arms is a right of governments and not a right for individuals, then the Second Amendment really means, according to this insanity:

Does it say this?

2nd Amendment: A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the [government???] to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

[Cue riotous laughter at that…].

So to protect the “security” of a

Dred Scott, whose famous case to gain his free...

Dred Scott, whose famous case to gain his freedom began as a lawsuit filed in St. Louis in 1846 (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

“free” state, the right of the government to bear arms shall not be infringed. Under this misinterpretation, the Second Amendment would presumably include the right to “bear” nuclear weapons.

So, are Steve and I permitted to own (keep) and use (bear) nuclear weapons (again, sorry, Norm, you were born on the wrong side of the pond)? If not, why not? That is, if I can keep and bear an AK-47 or AR-15 why not a thermonuclear device?

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There are MUCH WORSE people than you or Steve that already own (as in possess the use of) nuclear weapons.

#1. For example, one person who could throw nuclear weapons at somebody right now include one who arranged a massacre in a theater in which 130 innocent people died:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-20067384
…But some 130 hostages died – most not at the hands of the gunmen and women, but apparently because of the effects of the gas….

#2. Another group killed an estimated 5,000 with over 10,000 hurt critically, all in cold blood to stop a peaceful protest.. The troops they sent in were ordered to shoot anybody that got in the way; they were brought from distant bases (presumably so that they would not include too many who would worry about relatives being among the victims:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989

#3. Another one has arrogated to himself the illegal and unconstitutional “authority” to order secret kills on anybody he wants to anywhere in the world and has done it with full public knowledge. He (and his subordinates in command) continue their and unconstitutional and interventionist wars in five foreign countries.

For survivors, he has put command-and-control death panels in their future. Special treatment for special friends.

Rational people would demand all means possible to defend themselves against these obvious pathological maniacs, ruthless killers. And the list above is of the ones currently in possession of the worst nuclear weapons in the world. It does not include criminal dictators and rulers from the past or the future.

I’m serious. I admit that a reasonable person would not want Jason to have a tight rubber band, much less a nuke, but seriously should that be a limitation (no matter how logical and reasonable)? Instead is there case law which delineates what is protected by the 2nd amendment and not? Perhaps case law defines “arms”, which means that there would be a line in the sand; what is that line? I.e., what is protected and what is not?

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Case law is worse than useless when it numbs the mind of erudite attorneys at law and of citizens who accept it. Case law changes on the whim of those who make it, including 100s of reversals by the most respected Court in the world, the U.S. Supreme Court. Their ruling on the Republicans’ Civil RIghts Act in the 1960s reversed the Dred Scott case, for which you cannot find one little phrase of justification in even the slaver-protecting Constitution. (Justification was provided by the horror they felt at the prospect of blacks being able to carry arms, because if they are free men they carry arms).

2nd Amendment: A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.


And some people out there in the cackling industry actually try to pretend it means that governments have the right to arm themselves!

Imagine that! Next thing they’ll pass a law that says chickens shall lay eggs and water shall flow downhill!

At least those amendments and laws would make lots more sense than the sewage pouring forth from looters’ governments today!

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Ex-Mayor Sorry (Obamacare): “I Have Now Learned That I Was Wrong. Very Wrong.” — 11 mass murders stopped by guns

November 3, 2013

Former Mayor Laments Defending Obamacare: “I Have Now Learned That I Was Wrong. Very Wrong.

“Obamacare jacks up her insurance – Chicago Sun-Times
http://www.suntimes.com/news/marin/23352031-452/obamacare-jacks-up-her-insurance.html

Florida sheriff arrested after complying with the Second Amendment
http://www.wjhg.com/news/headlines/Suspended-Sherif-Nick-Finch-Not-Guilty-230066351.html

BRISTOL – The jury finds suspended Liberty County Sheriff Nick Finch not guilty on both counts.

Finch was accused of releasing a man who was arrested for carrying a concealed weapon without a permit and then destroying the arrest records.

It took the jury less than 90 minutes to reach the verdict.

Moments after the verdict was read, Finch spoke to Governor Rick Scott by phone. He was reinstated a couple of hours later.

“Sheriff Nick Finch will be reinstated immediately,” said Governor ick Scott in a written statement. “I would like to thank the members of the jury in Liberty County for their service in this trial. I would also like to thank Interim Sheriff Buddy Money for his service to the state of Florida.”

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Gun Watch has a list of mass killings that were stopped or thwarted by armed citizens here:

  1. The Pearl, Mississippi school shooting was stopped by the vice principal Joel Myrick with a Colt .45, The Appalachian School shooting was stopped by two students with handguns. Both of the above incidents were stopped by the armed citizens threatening the shooter without firing.
  2. Plans to slay everyone in a Muskegon, Michigan store and steal enough cash and jewelry to feed their “gnawing hunger for crack cocaine” fell apart for a band of would-be killers after one of their victims fought back.
  3. The mass church shooting in Colorado Springs was stopped by the shooter being shot by a church member with a CCW permit.
  4. The Santa Clara gunshop shooting in 1999 was stopped by an armed citizen after the shooter declared that he was going to kill everyone. Police found a list of intended victims in his car. Only the perpetrator, Richard Gable Stevens was shot.
  5. The December, 1991, Aniston, Alabama defense where a CCW holder stopped armed robbers who were herding employees, customers, and his wife into a cooler. He shot both robbers, killing one.
  6. July 13, 2009, in Virginia at the Golden Food Market: The gunman tried to shoot several people, was stopped by a CCW carrier.
  7. Just recently, in Early Texas, armed citizen Vic Stacy shot and stopped a deranged man who had just murdered two neighbors and was firing at police with a rifle.
  8. Abraham Dickman had a history of anger against employees of the AT&T store in New York Mills, New York. On May 27th, 2010, he walked into the store with a .357 and a list of six employees. He shot the first employee, but was stopped from further attacks when Donald J. Moore, an off duty police officer who was allowed to carry his own handgun when not on duty, drew and fired his .40 caliber, killing Mr. Dickman before he could fire any more shots.
  9. Another off duty police officer stopped the Trolley Square shooting with his personal handgun. He stopped the killing and contained the shooter until police reinforcements arrived and ended the situation.
  10. Ernesto Villagomez entered the Players Bar and Grill and killed two people. He reloaded and was continuing to shoot when a citizen with a concealed carry permit shot him and stopped the killing.
  11. Kiarron Parker rammed his car into another in the church parking lot, got out and attempted to kill multiple church members. He was only able to kill one before a member of the congregation, the nephew of the lady killed, and an off duty police officer, drew his handgun and shot Parker, stopping the killing.

Whenever a mass shooting is stopped by a gun owner there are going to be fewer victims so these stories are often under reported or not reported at all by major news outlets. And of course since self defensive gun uses do not help the agenda of gun control activists these stories will continue to be ignored.

Gun Watch has a list of mass killings that were stopped or thwarted by armed citizens here:

  1. The Pearl, Mississippi school shooting was stopped by the vice principal Joel Myrick with a Colt .45, The Appalachian School shooting was stopped by two students with handguns. Both of the above incidents were stopped by the armed citizens threatening the shooter without firing.
  2. Plans to slay everyone in a Muskegon, Michigan store and steal enough cash and jewelry to feed their “gnawing hunger for crack cocaine” fell apart for a band of would-be killers after one of their victims fought back.
  3. The mass church shooting in Colorado Springs was stopped by the shooter being shot by a church member with a CCW permit.
  4. The Santa Clara gunshop shooting in 1999 was stopped by an armed citizen after the shooter declared that he was going to kill everyone. Police found a list of intended victims in his car. Only the perpetrator, Richard Gable Stevens was shot.
  5. The December, 1991, Aniston, Alabama defense where a CCW holder stopped armed robbers who were herding employees, customers, and his wife into a cooler. He shot both robbers, killing one.
  6. July 13, 2009, in Virginia at the Golden Food Market: The gunman tried to shoot several people, was stopped by a CCW carrier.
  7. Just recently, in Early Texas, armed citizen Vic Stacy shot and stopped a deranged man who had just murdered two neighbors and was firing at police with a rifle.
  8. Abraham Dickman had a history of anger against employees of the AT&T store in New York Mills, New York. On May 27th, 2010, he walked into the store with a .357 and a list of six employees. He shot the first employee, but was stopped from further attacks when Donald J. Moore, an off duty police officer who was allowed to carry his own handgun when not on duty, drew and fired his .40 caliber, killing Mr. Dickman before he could fire any more shots.
  9. Another off duty police officer stopped the Trolley Square shooting with his personal handgun. He stopped the killing and contained the shooter until police reinforcements arrived and ended the situation.
  10. Ernesto Villagomez entered the Players Bar and Grill and killed two people. He reloaded and was continuing to shoot when a citizen with a concealed carry permit shot him and stopped the killing.
  11. Kiarron Parker rammed his car into another in the church parking lot, got out and attempted to kill multiple church members. He was only able to kill one before a member of the congregation, the nephew of the lady killed, and an off duty police officer, drew his handgun and shot Parker, stopping the killing.

Whenever a mass shooting is stopped by a gun owner there are going to be fewer victims so these stories are often under reported or not reported at all by major news outlets. And of course since self defensive gun uses do not help the agenda of gun control activists these stories will continue to be ignored.

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Some teachers don’t want to bear arms, but let’s welcome the help from those who do

December 23, 2012

I came across a blog on the subject of those who are having trouble with the confusing propaganda that says decent Americans should give up their guns to protect themselves from people with guns. It doesn’t make sense, but the “profusion” of guns is being blamed for manic acts like the one in Newtown instead of blaming the one who did it and the outrageous way that mental health patients’ families have been left without recourse to help their sons, like in that case…

http://dougpete.wordpress.com/2012/12/22/why-you-wouldnt-want-to-arm-me/

Okay so you’re not comfortable around firearms, and NOT ONE person who is advocating the freedom for teachers and staff to have the means to stop the bad guys, NOT ONE is saying teachers should be “forced” to have them or get distracted. But there are LOTS of teachers who are well-trained and responsible with them. If you are more afraid of such decent teachers having handy access to their arms in the case of a threat, than you are of mad dog killers like in Newtown, then you don’t haven’t had a chance to think through this thing logically.

but from the response we see that there are principals and teachers that are very much comfortable with them, trained in their use, not klutzes, would never shoot a sparrow, BUT would be fierce in the act of protecting the young children in their care. The principal charged at the shooter in Newtown and sacrificed herself to try to buy time for everybody else, but it could have been MUCH better an outcome if she had just shot him instead.

Or since this shooter apparently was intent on ending it with his own suicide, just letting the shooter get a glimpse of it (like Alfred Thompson’s firefighter father) might have led him to end himself quick, like the hero in the Clackamus Mall who aimed at the bad guy –who shot himself after seeing the weapon.

By the way, the media encourages these massacres when they publicize the names of the bad guys. I heard one American anti-violence activist report in an interview during the time of school shootings in the 1990s, that Japanese journalists were appalled that American media published all the names of the perps.

That’s right, Japan, with brutal gun-control laws, has mass school killings and attacks. Before guns, people, throughout recorded history there were these things called “wars” that were fought with not one firearm, before there were such things.

China certainly makes it illegal and nigh impossible for its serfs to get firearms, but that didn’t stop a deranged man from getting at 22 children with his knife before somebody was able to stop him.

Who can deny that the best way to stop a bad guy that has a gun is with a good guy that has a gun.

Once upon a time my wife stopped the kidnapping of her own son cold by taking out her own concealed weapon. Don’t tell her she should not have one!

Now here we go, I do agree that nobody should be forced to carry a firearm, and here we have Doug who has the common sense to avoid them for himself. But there are teachers who are good at their use and would love to be able to have them handy, like the teacher in one of those school shootings in the 1990s who had to rush to his car –outside the “gun-free” zone, of course— to fetch his own which he then used to stop stop the shooter!

But guess what? Your national media that barks so loudly about the “public’s right to know” when they want to know something, they had a toothless bite for this one, only saying that a teacher “was able to subdue” the shooter.

If somebody walks into your son’s school with such intentions, would you rather have somebody on the spot that can shoot back at the killer before he got to his own grandson? Or would he prefer not to bother teachers?

And there’s one more thing.

The number one reason lovers of freedom like Patrick Henry and Gouverneur Morris forced the inclusion of the Second Amendment in the Constitution with the rest of the Bill of Rights was not to protect the sport of hunting or local and national target competitions. As they stated specifically, the main thing was the importance of protecting the right of INDIVIDUALS to bear arms WITHOUT INFRINGEMENT, was to protect those individual rights as the birthright of all people.

Guns are used to stop crimes

December 15, 2012

There was a series of mass shootings in schools in the 1990s, because the shooters know that it is likely the only ones who might have weapons to shoot back at them are the guards. The first casualty in Colombine was the one guard.

You cannot hire enough armed police to keep students safe in schools where you don’t let anybody else carry. Your best bet is teachers who carry, staff that carry.

“Illegal” should be banned when it comes to guns. The more people that are armed, the better, because it levels the playing field. Two victims in Aurora were military and could have felled the shooter quicker and might have brought their weapons if they were allowed.

In fact if you opened up carrying in all the theaters in America, that would probably be the end of shootings in theaters, for the same reason that hijackers will probably never be able to take down a plane again –like with the infamous “shoe bomber” that turned into a laugh instead of a downed plane over the Atlantic.

If you had to go across a stretch of highway and there are lots of bad guys and none of them have guns but they have big swords and bows and arrows, and someone offered you a pistol, and you knew how to use it, would you take it or decline?

Guns are used to stop something like THREE MILLION crimes a year in the United States.

The problem is the American culture and moral decline. But instead of searching their souls for the soul of America, they blame the guns.

Like Micheal Moore himself admitted in his anti-gun propaganda piece, Canadians own lots and lots of guns and there is very little crime. If easy accessibility were the problem, Canadians would have a lot more incidents like these than the United States.

 

Larry Pratt: “Gun control supporters have the blood of little children on their hands”

December 15, 2012

Yep, that’s the real problem, not enough guns in the hands of teachers on school grounds. The gun control propaganda machine went emergency alert to avoid wasting this crisis on things like tragedy and helping heal the culture, but instead went after decent citizens’ ownership of guns.
http://www.specialguests.com/guests/viewnews.cgi?id=EFVVVEplZkTaTaajMi&tmpl=default

All the control freaks talk about “fairness”, but they don’t interview an articulate spokesman for the majority of Americans, who do believe in the right to the means of self-defense.

Larry Pratt, executive director of Gun Owners of America, responded to the tragedy saying, “Gun control supporters have the blood of little children on their hands. Federal and state laws combined to insure that no teacher, no administrator, no adult had a gun at the Newtown school where the children were murdered. This tragedy underscores the urgency of getting rid of gun bans in school zones. The only thing accomplished by gun free zones is to insure that mass murderers can slay more before they are finally confronted by someone with a gun.”

Gun Owners of America urges state and federal lawmakers to overturn bans on guns in schools immediately. Larry and other spokespersons are available for interviews.

And Obama did a press conference, showed appropriate emotion, and immediately politicized the incident by saying we should do something about these tragedies without worrying about the politics. We all know what he meant by “do something”, and some of us know that he meant to steal the moral high ground by talking about the politics.

There are teachers and school staff who have used their weapons to stop such incidents before the police could arrive. The best time to stop a crime is during the crime. Even where guns are banned completely –whether it is a “gun-free” school zone or in countries where guns are banned– we see that such laws are not effective in stopping them. The police forces almost always arrive later, such as in Newtown.

They were much quicker in Aurora, Colorado, it is true, but in that cinema there was at least one active military soldier who died protecting his girlfriend. That soldier could not bring his firearm because the theater chain has a rule banning them. That ‘s their prerogative, but for the safety of their customers when something like this happens, they would do better to allow them in.

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goa2010 (Photo credit: arellis49)

In Japan, with very strict gun laws, there was in the 1990s a series of stabbings of school teachers by students.

In my wife’s nation of Honduras, the street gangs make their own bazookas out of tubing and either powder or other chemicals.

This assistant principal in Pearl High School in Pearl, Miss, stopped a shooter using his own

December 15, 2012
Official seal of Newtown, Connecticut

Official seal of Newtown, Connecticut (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Of course all the official government-media complex propaganda organs immediately went ballistic about guns with the shooting in Newtown, Connecticut. But there have been several incidents where school shootings were stopped by an armed civilian, but there would have been more if not for the stupid law that says schools should be zones where the right of self-defense is not respected.

http://rkba.org/users/myrick.txt

..But this assistant principal Myrick had to run to his car outside the school-area “gun-free” zone to get the gun he used to hold the shooter for the police.

What if he had been able to keep his firearm in his desk at school?

Many of the 61 school shootings they’re spouting about in Propaganda Media could have been stopped cold if more teachers had been able to bring their weapons on to campus.

Some gun control believers are even using arguments that show they do not even check there own facts. One blogger asked whether his reader “had ever heard of a mass killing being stopped by the use of guns even once”.

 

Why do the disinformation operatives think that the worst incidents happen in places like schools? Criminals have no problem getting guns! Heck, even if you’re the most ruthless drug-smuggling cartel on earth, you might even get the United States Justice Department to sell you some!

Guns are used much more often to stop crimes than to commit them, and they level the playing field for those who are smaller or weaker, or more often targets, like women.

IT takes just plain people sharing the stories to tell it, since the media covers this up.

http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-270374.html

It just makes sense though. Why do cops have guns? Because they face the criminals. So why shouldn’t decent citizens have them.

Besides, who will protect us if the government turns bad? It’s happened, after all, throughout history. Germany the Jews, Turkey the Armenians. the Bolsheviks, the Maoists

And this blogger put together a list of occasions where potential mass murders were stopped cold by a civilian with a firearm: http://www.volokh.com/2012/12/14/do-civilians-armed-with-guns-ever-capture-kill-or-otherwise-stop-mass-shooters/

There are many he did not list, though. In Israel, early on, guns were banned to the population, but at some point, being a nation that has an interest in stopping crimes of this nature, passed a law that legalized concealed carry.

Shortly afterward, a group of PLO militia stormed a shopping mall and started shooting everybody in sight. One elderly granny pulled her concealed weapon out and started shooting back, and the attackers panicked in confusion. One of the wounded attackers told a paramedic, “We didn’t expect anybody to shoot back!”

Another incident was in a mixed-race church in South Africa during the times of apartheid. You have to ask why a radical anti-apartheid group would attack a mixed race church, no doubt expecting no one would shoot back. The answer is that they don’t generally really care about what they say, they are commanded by leaders who only think about how to attain power over the populace, using ideology as a cloak. That church had a member who possessed his weapon, an off-duty policeman, and he stopped them.