Elections in Honduras: The Left Riots, Loots, Burns At Losing in the Counting

The international press is totally mutilating the truth in its reporting out of Honduras about the elections held on Sunday this week, where the beast of Venezuela style socialism rears its ugly self again, after being rejected soundly by the nation in 2009.

A recap of events in 2009 in Honduras, and how this would be strong man little Chavez wanted his own dictatorship:
https://trutherator.wordpress.com/2009-honduras-recap-links-in-spanish/

In this next link you’ll find my blog post about how Allende and Zelaya are the real coup-mongers:
https://trutherator.wordpress.com/1540-2/

Another link about Mel Zelaya’s coup attempt:
https://trutherator.wordpress.com/fact-and-links-page-on-honduras-and-golpista-mel-zelayas-coup-detat/

And this one I wrote during the days after Zelaya was arrested:
https://trutherator.wordpress.com/zelaya-was/

Voters in Honduras went to their voting stations this past Sunday, November 26, 2017, to cast ballots for mayors, diputados (congressional representatives), and for president.

Juan Orlando Hernandez is the presidential candidate for the Partido Nacional (“Nationalist Party”). The main opposition candidate is sportscaster Salvador Nasralla, a candidate for the leftist “Alianza de Opposicion contra la Dictadura”, a candidate for the so-called “Partido Libre” and PINU. This “Alianza” should really be called the “Alliance to Impose Dictatorship”, because of the personality in the background, returning to the fray after Honduras rejected him because he rejected Honduras, Manuel Zelaya, aka Mel Zelaya. His official title in this confederacy of villains is “Coordinator”.

If Nasralla wins, then Zelaya wins.

Nasrallah signed an agreement with the International Observers who came for the election, as did Juan Orlando, to accept the results without protest the results as announced by the TSE.

But some three hours after signing the document, he renounced it. The word from Honduras (forget the international agencies) is that he did this without checking with Manuel Zelaya first. He hid in the background in the campaign while calling the shots. Zelaya didn’t like that at all, and three hours later he broke the agreement. And now yesterday, he called for street protests, knowing that he was unleashing an orgy of violence, and that’s exactly what is happening right now in Honduras, this day, Friday, December 1, 2017.

Part of the blame may fall on the TSE, but they have announced, and the European Union observer team also said in press conference, that they had to suspend the counting efforts because of the tear gas floating in from outside. The tear gas was used to disrupt the so-called Alliance supporters who were outside the TSE offices and trying to get in to disrupt the counting. And as an excuse he said it was because of the computer outage during the counting.

ZELAYA BACK, BUT WHO’S BEHIND HIM?

My wife was in high school with Manuel Zelaya, who is the figure she tells me pulls the strings on Nasralla. She told me her classmates regarded him as the dumb one in school. And when one teacher told the class anybody could be president in the country, Zelaya announced he was going to be president. The class roared in laughter. Before his arrest in 2009, while still president, many political observers thought Secretary of State Patricia Rodas was the mastermind of his presidency. Patricia Rodas did her college studies in Cuba.

What is lost in the noise is that the Alianza de Oposicion has representatives present for the counting.

Nasrallah led in early counting but the tide turned after a time, so it was easier for the leaders of this socialist alliance to send their gullible followers to the streets.

IMPORTANT NOTE ON NASRALLA:

During the campaign, one interviewer asked Nasralla about the brutal violent gangs Salvatrucha 13 and the 18 gang. He said he was not afraid of them, they were his “friends”. At some point, I’m told he said (publicly) that he would stop Juan Orlando’s construction of maximum security prisons to hold them, and would let them go to the streets.

Those gangs and their violence got much worse during the Zelaya presidency.

My wife has a friend, a poor friend, who lost a son to the gangs. A cousin as well. And the friend’s son was almost killed until her errant daughter (who was or is a friend of some sort with the gang leader at the time) intervened to protect him.

It seems to some extent, too, and certain times, these gangs learned to cool down a bit with honest working families. For awhile, they were running out of people that had anything. One family, friends with part of my stepchildren’s close circle of college friends,

The gangs collect what they call a “tax” from businesses in their territory. But sometimes their turfs “overlap”. We have a close friend of the family there that had a good small family store. She was already having to pay this “tax” to one gang, and then came another to collect. So now she has to pay this monthly extortion to TWO gangs. Very discretely, because if one gang finds out about the other one, they will murder her.

That’s one reason in reality, Juan Orlando is so popular among the productive sectors of the people, and a great number among the poor as well. One channel walked up one street and asked every person waiting on a bus which way they leaned, and it seemed like an even mix.

LATE BREAKING

The head of the delegation of observers from the United Nations, and the head of the group of observers from the European Union, are asking the Opposition (Nasralla-Zelaya) and their followers to cease from the violence in the streets, so they can continue counting the votes. They are waiting for the Opposition to return to the TSE counting area so they can continue, because the law says all parties should be present.

One man speaking for the Partido Nacional demands that Opposition return to the counting table, asking if they won the vote, then why are they not present to defend their interests?

So the official delegations from the OAS and the UN can see who are the disruptors, who are the cheaters.

So far, there has been a lot of burning and looting, and in San Pedro the looters cleared an entire department store of its merchandise, drugs, furniture, electric appliances, stoves, refrigerators, clothes, everything.

Blocking roads. They destroyed the toll booths on the road outside San Pedro to the main highway that leads to Tegucigalpa. In one town they set a very old church on fire. It was recorded by someone wailing that they had no shame.

They don’t want a fair vote, looks like they want power, and the poor fools sucked in by their demagoguery are willing to do the sacking the looting and the burning for them.

En Copan, one National Party leader denounced one of the leaders of Alianza who went into hiding because someone discovered that she had ordered their followers to burn down the police station for the town.

This a fake protest on the part of Nasralla and Zelaya, who simply want to take power, by riot and mayhem if they cannot win an honest vote.

Please say a prayer for Honduras tonight. (And tomorrow).

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Yanni Rosenthal arrested for money laundering; (Was he Zelaya’s smuggler in 2009?)

Yanni Rosenthal has been arrested in Las Vegas for money laundering. I wrote about this guy back in 2009, when he was not the center of attention, except for those of us who followed very closely the events that followed (and preceded) the COURT-ordered arrest of Manuel Zelaya. That order, by the way, was decided by the court and the request came from the “fiscal general” of his own government. That’s the equivalent of the Attorney General in the U.S.

https://trutherator.wordpress.com/2009/10/11/rosenthal-zelayas-man-in-honduras/

Most of my readers probably don’t follow news from Latin America very much. In fact, the national controlled media are reporting much less international news than they did in times past. And what they do report goes through some steroid-enhanced filtering — in essence, censoring, because it is quasi-voluntary statism. Remember the obvious implicit threats that were thrown like darts at the Orlando television station where the Biden was subjected to the humiliation of trying to wiggle through the question asking how Obama wanting to “spreading the wealth around” is not a Marxist vision?

Well, that was domestic but there are also some truths that are inconvenient for statist authoritarians that want to tell us what to think, what to buy, where to buy, and what they will allow us to keep after they confiscate our wherewithal. One truth is Chile’s advance into developed-nation status as a prosperous nation after they threw Allende’s Marxism into the deep blue sea and gave a warm embrace to the freedom for poor and rich alike to do business as they saw fit. The free market made way for each citizen to do business as he wished with whomever wanted to do business with him, for mutual benefit.

Well, Chile isn’t 100% free, but certainly all of us should realize that free markets were the one factor that gets the credit.

Yes, the information czars don’t talk much about that.

They sure did in 2009 when they condemned Honduras for defending its freedom and its constitution against Chavez-Soros sock puppet Manuel Zelaya.

That year, after a very clownish showcase “attempt” to enter Honduras from Nicaragua and getting stopped, Zelaya was successfully smuggled into the country and into the Brazilian Embassy.

The word was among people that it was Rosenthal who smuggled Zelaya back into the country.

It sort of backfired, because Brazil made clear that Zelaya had to leave the embassy immediately upon the inauguration of the next president. Lobo made a show of escorting him to the airport in fact. That was part of the agreement negotiated in Costa Rica, under international pressure.

During Zelaya’s apparently unwelcome presence in Brazil’s embassy, there were visits by a few members of the Congress of Brazil. Due to the politically compliant international media spin, they were astonished at the way Brazilian expats were adamant and enthusiastic in their support for the arrest of Zelaya.

Anyway, I don’t know what happened with the arrest by American authorities of Rosenthal. It is well known in Honduras that Zelaya did business with drug traffickers.

In any case, everything is recorded in the heavenlies. What a man sews he shall also reap. This is a Biblical law and just as sure as gravity.

Is the media orchestrated?

Most “traditional” media writers (broadcast, cable, paper-legacy press) don’t realize they are part of an industry and government-media complex.

The truth of the matter became clear to me in 2009 when Honduras deposed the sitting caudillo president. He had won the election by fraud, as he himself even admitted out loud to Jorge Ramos in a Univision interview: “Everybody does it, Jorge!”, he said.

That year, 2009, was when I watched in surprised awe as EVERY SINGLE ONE of ALL the traditional international (Establishment-approved) Media sources, like CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN-Espanol, NYT, Reuters, AP, LA Times, BBC, NPR, the French agency, all of them called it a “coup”, and they said NOTHING about Zelaya taking on the mantle of dictator. That was right after the summit of Caribbean and Central American presidents in Santo Domingo in November 2008 where George Soros was their “keynote speaker”.

And then ALL of the votes in the United Nations, including the Zelaya-appointed ambassador, condemned Honduras for defending itself from a Hugo Chavez-style coup-by-fraud, a criminal runaway president. They dotted their “i”s, and crossed their “t”s, constitutionally, and the Congress recognized his removal from the presidency with a list of his crimes, major thefts of government money, abuses, refusal to obey court orders (from “pipsqueak judges”, “juecesitos”), refusal to abide by laws passed by the Congress and violating multiple sections in the Constitution.

The day after slanderous and libelous CNN-Espanol broadcasts that Sunday, July 28, Hondurans were enraged. Half the adult population poured into all the central city and town plazas to support the transitional government, to protest against the demands to reinstate the dictator, AND TO PROTEST THE INTERNATIONAL MEDIA COVERAGE.

That same evening, one of the news analysts on CNN-Espanol let it out on the broadcast of events that EVERY SINGLE ONE of the massive numbers of emails they were getting from Honduras and Hondurans were in favor of the removal of Zelaya and in favor of the transitional president Micheletti, and she begged for even one that would be in favor of him.

The colossal river of money for leftist organizations has buried the videos on Youtube of those demonstrations in searches but they are there (unless Google has removed them).

The joke in Honduras was that Zelaya had unified the nation, and brought the people together in one cause. Protestants and Catholics, rich and poor, Chambers of Commerce and the unions, young and old, Liberal Party members (Zelaya’s own) and National Party members, men and women, professionals and laborers, doctors and illiterate, they all united in protesting Zelaya and international coverage.

International coverage was unanimous. That was telling for me.

THANK GOD FOR THE INTERNET BECAUSE THAT WAS THE ONLY PLACE YOU COULD FIND THE TRUTH IF YOU WANTED IT.

In one program, NPR had a panel of these “experts” talking about Honduras, and they got one caller who corrected them with the truth. One of these vacant “experts” immediately explained to the audience that Obama simply wanted to stop the American meddling in Latin America. The caller was already gone, so they missed the chance to understand that Obama WAS meddling in Honduras when he condemned its defense against another strong-man dictator. They kept meddling. Hillary Clinton called Micheletti personally to order him to resign. He said “No!” Gretchen later asked him what would it take to get him to resign (and let the socialist back into power) and he said “Only an invasion.”

American officers no doubt said “No way” they were going to invade, if Obama asked them. When Chavez did threaten invasion, American colonels said the Hondurans were an awesome fighting force. But let’s leave one thing very clear. The military stayed out of the political activity then completely and only obeyed legitimate court orders at all times.

Only local media in Honduras reported more accurately. (except for the one apparently owned by leftist diehards).

Brazilian legislators who visited while Zelaya was there, were shocked to discover that his smuggled appearance inside their embassy was a surprise. They were even more shocked to discover that the entire community of Brazilians living in Honduras were outraged at Zelaya and disagreed with the news coverage outside.

Honduras changed history. That’s when Latin American politicians and activists saw that going socialist was NOT inevitable at all! The FLMN-party president in El Salvador shortly announced they would not join the Venezuelan petro club. An ex-president of Guatemala said maybe they should coordinate foreign policy with Honduras. The mayor of Caracas said maybe they should import some Honduran “huevos” to Venezuela. Paraguay later also removed a leftist caudillo strong-man president.

Lobo, the next elected president (elections were maybe the most-oberved, most scrutinized in the history of the world) was Lobo. He immediately asked for input on how to move Honduras out of poverty. The result was the Smart Cities project, which was later scrapped for a much better plan, the ZEDE. (Zonas Economicas de Desarrollo y Empleo). It has begun and we will see how that unfolds now.

Just because you won an “election” doesn’t mean you’re not a totalitarian or dictator. Look at Obama. Even Lincoln suspended habeus corpus, threw reporters in prison, closed down opposing newspapers, sent an opposition (northern) Congressman fleeing to Canada for his life, and had troops fire on anti-draft demonstrators.

United Nations poll: Example of Orwellian Newspeak

The New American website wrote about the United Nations poll of some 7 million people where they chose the issues they most cared about:

http://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/21410-halfway-to-hell-public-places-global-warming-dead-last

Here is the list, with their top concerns listed first. Note that “action on climate change” is dead last.

A good education
Better healthcare
Better job opportunities
An honest and responsive government
Affordable and nutritious food
Protection against crime and violence
Access to clean water and sanitation
Support for people who can’t work
Better transport and roads
Reliable energy at home
Equality between men and women
Political freedoms
Freedom from discrimination and persecution
Protecting forests, rivers, and oceans
Phone and Internet Access
Action taken on climate change (Emphasis added.)

There is almost no doubt that the surveyed were given a list to pick from, and “Less government” and “more individual freedom” and “economic freedom” and “respect for private property” and “terminating the United Nations” were NOT on the list.

One of the comments below by a “Frank M. Petelson”, notes that high on the list, and most of the list, are socialist and collectivist concerns:

Of the people polled, most gave socialistic concerns. I wonder how few polled people wanted: Less Government, More Responsibility, and, with God’s help, a better world?

That’s a good question but from my view it’s like this, I said:

There is almost no doubt that the surveyed were given a list to pick from, and “Less government” and “more individual freedom” and “economic freedom” and “respect for private property” and “terminating the United Nations” were NOT on the list.

These opinion and cultural engineers, commissioned by the autocrats’ cabal, would never offer individual freedom, or more free markets, as an option. Political freedom is on the list but by that they have their meanings implicitly buried in the devil’s details, including the political freedom to force a non-conformist to conform. Like the political freedom to force a Christian couple bakery to serve up a wedding cake for a same-sex marriage. That’s their definition.

Or like the “freedom” to tell the world that Honduras pushing back against a socialist “coup by fraud” in 2009 is somehow a “coup” itself.

“Political freedom” is on the list, but “economic freedom” is not.

 

Go for 100% freedom from aggression and theft but take what you can get.

Tom Bell said he is “cautiously optimistic”. With the kind of hell that the world-government-statist control freaks put Honduras through in 2009 when they rebelled against their program, you can’t blame them for wanting to go under the radar.

That, said, I don’t have any illusions about Honduran politicians any more than others, although 2009 was a bit refreshing. I know more than you about them. My wife is from there and was one and wanted out from the first day she got in. And has nothing but an attempt to murder her and the children to show.

I think in 2009 the politicians actually just buckled under the pressure of wives, husbands, adult children, cousins, lots of friends, most of the LOCAL press that refused to march to international orders, ALL the Protestant leaders, ALL the Catholic clergy in the country almost, their chambers of commerce, the UNIONS (except for the Marxist dictated PUBLIC teachers’ union, albeit with great numbers of teachers dissenting, ALL private schools, their equivalent of a bar association (lawyers), and ALL but 4 of the Congressmen.

Congressmen and others involved in the effort travelled to South Korea, Singapore, Hong Kong, and other places that moved from poverty to prosperity.

Lobo, not so honest himself, had asked for suggestions from various sectors on how to escape poverty. My suggestion to the representative from the expat community that was invited to contribute, was education, technology, gold currency base, and among other things, a study of what was successful elsewhere.

My understanding is that some folks from Universidad Franciso Marroquin, a school that teaches Austrian economics theory, also participated in the planning of the zones.

I say, with Wendy of Daily Bell and many others, preach the actual radical solution of the NAP, anarcho-capitalism, and complete economic freedom from aggression and theft, but take everything you can get. Ron Paul voted for every single tax reduction that came along, including the ones with labels like “exemption”. but we all know he wanted to abolish them all.

 

 

Ron Paul says Obama’s Drone Wars Undermine American Values

His comments are found at the Daily Bell:

http://www.thedailybell.com/editorials/35250/Ron-Paul-Obamas-Drone-Wars-Undermine-American-Values/

One big thing I like about Daily Bell is that they carefully analyze events, look for context, and make clear that what you see –in the regular news media fare- is not always what you get. No WSYWIG there, no sir. And it’s early to call for war crimes tribunals, as there is not sufficient infrastructure (yet anyway) to enforce them. Education will do its job. Ron Paul’s campaign to educate the American body politic is a good example of the greater effectiveness of this. The numbers of both those who are aware, both veterans in forums and publications, and the newly aware, will continue to grow despite the hysterical efforts of the Powers That Be to explain everything in Controlled Media in ways that pretend that there is no liberty movement. As long as there is a sector of the Internet that is free, and it is still possible to spread facts and the real stories at these electronic speeds, it will continue to grow. In fact, it will continue on in some form, even if they implement Lieberman’s wet dream of an Internet “off-switch…like China has.” Like China!

The USA has certainly supported fascists, drug lords and terrorists many places, and “installed” a few. But as a libertarian anarcho-capitalist myself, it is evident to me most left-fascists and libertarians alike, sometimes ascribe too much power to the CIA overseas. I call libertarians especially to telescope to a view of these world events from a higher altitude. I’ll bet you that some analysts within the intelligence apparatus have an inflated view of their own power.

For example, no matter how much Hugo Chavez and later Maduro blamed CIA plots for what Hondurans did in 2009, whatever the CIA did was irrelevant. My wife is from there, and it made me nervous that it might become another Venezuelan vassal state. If they paid out money here or there, they totally wasted all of it, because the overwhelming majority of the people of that country were dedicated to getting rid of the guy they supposedly elected earlier. It was a bit of a surprise even to me, since most of the poor are inclined toward looting the rich. I believe it’s possible Hugo Chavez won the first election, even though in my opinion he’s perfectly capable of committing fraud.

But I realized later that even many of the poor in Honduras are somewhat educated now about events elsewhere, and there is an Internet effect there too. It helped that apparently the media seems somewhat less subservient to the politicians, and some of the local elite families saw socialism as inimical to their own interests. There were probably a few of them also “hedging their bets” and secretly supporting the auto-coup plotter Zelaya, including one famous perennial presidential candidate who was accused very publicly of smuggling him into the Brazilian embassy.

Not all poor people are stupid or ignorant. Hondurans who hate poverty and who are capable of thinking analytically at all, they do NOT want an economy like Cuba’s or Venezuela’s. They know theirs has been corrupt, but they would rather not jump into the abyss of permanent poverty just like that. More so the middle class there.

Hillary Clinton made a personal call to Zelaya and told him to resign, and so open the door for the socialist president that the American ambassador had supported in the efforts to establish his lifetime national socialist Chavista fiefdom. Yes he did. What the CIA does is secret, but in the small-town social environment of a country like Honduras, not everything can be kept secret. Hugo Llorens appeared in some of the televised propaganda for the propaganda cover for the overt stage of the auto-coup, the takeover manifest”referendum”.

The “demonstrations” in favor of Zelaya were padded with paid bodies. Chavez poured so much money in that the lempira rose a full 10% against the dollar for a few weeks while they tried to make a show of it for the world.

The CIA may have been doing its thing there, no doubt, but keep in mind that the FSS and FIS (successors to the KGB and the GRU) are not exactly dead, and Chavez was all about intervention himself. He offered President Micheletti $3 million dollars to resign, poured money in for marches (that never reached the numbers of the pro-Micheletti, anti-Zelaya, anti-Chavez, or even the irate protests against CNN and its reporter, who was distorting the situation there.

Socialism does not need any CIA intervention to collapse under its own destructive weight. The CIA often does, always does, intervene for its own purposes. But let us not kid ourselves. Sometimes it may act in a manner you least expect, also. Moles are not rare anywhere, and the Venona papers of course corroborated the accusations of Senator McCarthy that the State Department was infiltrated by outright Communists that reported to the Soviet Union.

And who can doubt the jubilation of East Germans when the Berlin Wall fell and they were able to join the “more free” market and prosperity of West Germany?

Who can doubt that 90% of North Koreans would seize the chance to migrate to South Korea?

Who can doubt that the United States today just might have more Cubans than Cuba itself? And remember, Cuba cannot blame the embargo either, since every other nation in the world allows trade with them.

And even with the case of Chile, almost nobody ever hears the fact that the Congress in Chile, lacking a constitutional method to impeach and dethrone the dictatorship of Salvador Allende, voted 81 to 47, on August 22, 1973, for a resolution demanding the immediate cessation of Allende’s unconstitutional actions, that he cease arming leftist cadres, and a series of other demands, PLUS they demanded the removal of Allende from office. The military did nothing until the Congress demanded it, because of the economic damage and the violence that the regime had propagated.

This was even dubbed a “trade secret” by leftist journalists in Latin America: That they begrudgingly knew, admitted among themselves, that Pinochet’s actions had resulted in a much more prosperous Chile. And that was before they joined the G-7 club of “developed” nations.

Let me restate here though that I am absolutely opposed to US intervention abroad, all of it.

But many actions seem even engineered to hurt American interests, of which drone strikes are a “striking” example. Even if the orders that go forth for those actions are not purposed to hurt the country, they may be an example of God’s warnings that he would “turn back” the weapons in the hands of a nation under judgment. (Jeremiah 21:4)

Maduro caled for peace in Venezuela? Really? Maduro?

This is an open letter to Jacob Hornberger of the Future of Freedom Foundation, in reaction to his article of April 5, 2014, at http://www.lewrockwell.com. I am copying it to my blog at http://www.trutherator.wordpress.com.

His article is found here:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/04/jacob-hornberger/us-out-of-venezuela/

Mr. Hornberger,

I’m an anarcho-capitalist that found out with Ron Paul’s campaign in 2008 that my 40-year-old views had lined up with what are called “libertarian”, and as a former missionary that lived since early 1970s in Latin America or in Hispanic-dominated Miami-Dade Count. My ex-wife is from the Dominican Republic and my wife is from Honduras. I plan on retiring in Honduras. I hope it will not be overwhelmed by a socialist regime such as Maduro’s. What they have today would be better, but I hope to add to the libertarian conversation in Honduras.

I have a personal interest against USG and UN interventions around the world. Foreign aid and drug wars are killing men in great numbers in my wife’s country -and killing their economy. Maybe the new special economic regions, designed artfully with the help of some libertarian economists from the US and from the Mises-associated institute in Guatemala will help them. I hope.

No doubt the CIA is around somewhere doing whatever they do, and let us be honest here: Neither of us knows what they are really doing, except in general terms. I used to think we could presume they consistently support American capitalist interests. After Honduras, Libya, Syria, with the evidence from these episodes of the USG helping socialist dictators and its purported Number One enemy to gain power in these places, I’m not so sure. Honduras I know best; and they did not hide their efforts to support the socialist dictator there.

I am surprised and a bit irritated at the reaction to regimes like Maduros’. Especially since I read it on http://www.lewrockwell.com.

Before I get to why, I totally agree with your concluding paragraph:

Leave Venezuela to the Venezuelans. If private Americans wish to involve themselves in the controversy, that’s fine. But the U.S. government should butt out entirely. What happens in Venezuela is none of the U.S. government’s business. Unfortunately, given the secret nature of the U.S. national-security state, the American people will never know the extent of U.S. involvement in the Venezuelan crisis until the CIA’s files on the matter are opened several decades from now.

Maybe they’ll open the files, maybe not, but I doubt that any files that will be available either now or later will reveal anything on the subject worthwhile, and more likely misleading.

But it is an amazing spectacle to see all the well-deserved condemnation of probable USG involvement, and absolutely nothing about what the Venezuelans might actually want in reality independently of both the American government and their own dictatorship.

I don’t remember any such outrage over Obama’s demands and Hillary Clinton’s interventions in Honduras to try to force them to put the socialist dictator Manuel Zelaya.

The American ambassador to Honduras at the time, Hugo Llorens, made an appearance in a commercial aired by the Zelaya regime, propaganda to get public support for his very unpopular effort for his so-called “referendum” (later relabeled “survey”).

Hillary Clinton made a personal call to Roberto Micheletti to resign, which would of course make it easier to force Honduras to take Zelaya back as the dictator he already was.

This “referendum” horrified Hondurans, because they knew three things for sure. (1) One, the thing would be fraudulent. They know their politicians. (2) Two, Zelaya had already advocated presidential re-election (already defined as “treason” by the Honduras constitution because of earlier attempts at lifetime presidencies. (3) Three, and worst of all, it would open up for more fraudulent “elections” to create an irrevocable socialist dictatorship, Chavez style, in Honduras.

There was one piece that circulated on the Internet at the time, how Zelaya “brought the country together”. Every group of any significance at all in those days demanded first his resignation and then supported his removal and the constitutional successor government of Micheletti. Half the population filled the plazas of the biggest and the smallest cities and villages to say so. The Chambers of Commerce, BOTH major political parties, ALL the Congress (elected by the same people that voted for president), the Catholic Church (Zelaya’s mob had to import a priest), all the Protestant churches, all the unions (except the hopeless teachers’ union, that had them on strike more than in the classroom literally by count of days– for the previous three years), and EVERY ex-pat in a forum where I was member.

What’s the CIA going to do there? What can they do? Why would they waste a dime getting the country to get rid of somebody they did not want?

Oh, yeah, because Soros wants power. But no doubt HIS dirty hands were in the pot FOR Zelaya. Keynote speaker at the regional summit the November previous.

Hondurans got panicked at the prospect of fixed elections creating another Cuba or Venezuela in their country. They vote with their feet by getting to the States at the first opportunity.

Why is it so hard to understand that so many Hondurans, or even Venezuelans, hate the serfdom of socialism, along with the miserable poverty it brings?

Maduro bragged in his op-ed in the New York Times about universal health care? Oh get out! The poor have to bring their own sheets into hospitals and sleep on the floor there! We’re already getting our own taste of that bitter poisonous “medicine” in the States!

That was the attitude of most of the Hondurans. Fortunately for them, apparently many or most of the richest and most powerful interests were inclined their way. BUT not all; one zillionaire and perennial presidential candidate was fingered in newspapers and “on the street” as the one who smuggled Zelaya back in to the Brazilian embassy (Surprise, Brazilia!)

And it is relevant that Maduro is the heir of the Chavista regime that has meddled in its neighbor’s internal political affairs and tried its best to save the imposition by external Force of a dictatorship that had no regard for anything but seizing power.

The phony pro-Zelaya demonstrations had some genuine bodies, but it was mostly marching-for-hire. They poured so much money into the country that the lempira went up a full 10 percent against the dollar for those several months!

Zelaya admitted in a Univision interview that he had won the election by fraud by saying that all elections have fraud.

After 2009, I have followed events in Venezuela.

Please note an unsung development in Latin America. It’s hard to see its long-term effect, but it has been noticed by some statesmen “down south”.

Honduras changed history in Latin America with its reassertion of some constitutional order inside its borders, such as it is. Don’t get a smug face about it; they did better in 2009 than the US has done in recent years. Will Obama in 2016 declare a federal election nationwide to vote for a new constitution? That momentum is building, from both the phony “right wing” and the phony “left wing”.

After the 2009 elections in Honduras, the president of El Salvador of the former “leftist” guerrilla party, declared dead the move to join Venezuela’s petro association. The mayor of Caracas demanded the importation of “cojones” from Honduras. Freedom-minded Latins were inspired all over. Honduran ex-pat communities felt relief unspeakable. Brazilian Congressmen went back to Brazil with the news that the entire Brazilian community living in Honduras were engraged at Zelaya’s refuge in their embassy.

No doubt Paraguay had Honduras in the back of their minds when they impeached and dethroned their own dictator aspirant for his dictatorial acts. Venezuela’s caudillo government whined about another CIA-backed coup.

It’s a political safe bet down south (and apparently among some libertarian circles in the US today too) to blame the CIA and the US for all their troubles.

Maybe the CIA is trying for a coup in Caracas, given the atmosphere in Latin America today. Soros has his fingers everywhere. He would love to have a dictatorship to deal with, to give him good deals, good power, after all…

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P.S. There are videos of the police shooting at protestors there. There is video on youtube of Chavistas shooting into the million-person march (literally) in cold blood that resulted in twelve people dead. A false flag coup distracted the world’s attention from this slaughter of civilians and a de-facto socialist coup ensued thereupon by outing anti-Chavez military to purge them. These “CIA lackeys” and “coup plotters” got no punishment at all, they were cleared by the *Chavista* Supreme Court of all charges, with military pensions and all honors retained. And it was a “CIA” coup?

Can people be more gullible?

 

Left-fascists riot in Honduras Congress, democracy, and individual freedom

Herein read my reaction to comments in La Gringa’s “blogicito”, found at the following link:

http://tinyurl.com/m7wyh7m

This episode of changing rules in Honduras just shows the general peril of ANY government. Democracy is NOT any “better” than any other form of government. Power corrupts. Taxation is extortion by definition, no matter how many of the majority vote for it. Follow the law or go to jail. By the way, though, I read various articles on the proceedings, and they are not the end of the democracy as depicted, so much as a lot of noise and riot by a party founded by people who in power did much worse, of course.

The United States’ long history is the best attempt maybe along those lines, and look where it is now. The “strong media” of the 19th century is now a sycophantic mouthpiece for more control over every piece of your life by government. The best example of this is their treatment of the champion of individual freedom in the United States in his presidential campaign, Ron Paul.

But college kids loved him. He was different, and showed character by shutting down lobbyists, like Larry Abrammoff said in a Q&A on CSpan once, he was one that you could not get anything from him with offers of money. Otherwise, he said they’re more or less all for sale.

Centralization of power in the United States began with the Constitution, had a false start with Alexander Hamilton’s central bank baby, which Andrew Jackson killed off, got a second wind with Abraham Lincoln, and then accelerated after the Federal Reserve Bank was created and populated with the bankers they were supposedly going to regulate for the people’s interest, and it was created after a campaign that pretended it was to stop their abuses. The Income Tax was another abuse enacted the same year. It’s an abuse because I don’t have the right to tell you how much you get to keep of the fruits of your labor and how much you have to pay me for “protection”. Even if you vote for me. Theft is theft. Or call it extortion if you must, because it depends also on how “stable” such thieves are in office.

At least by a vote they have to got through pretense.

Allende was voted a plurality in Chile, and when he began ruling as an economic and political tyrant, the Congress had no constitutional remedy, so they passed a resolution DEMANDING that the military stop him. Allende did not yield to diplomatic pressure, either, and a lot of that saw the (again) sycophantic controlled “strong” media cheering Allende for cutting down Anaconda copper.

The media (outside Honduras) did not report the abused Allende perpetrated any more than they did Zelaya’s. But in 2009 we already had the Internet. So the only mainstream reporting during both abusive regimes was condemnatory of the moves against leftist-fascism.

Think not; more centralized control is their game plan. At least that’s what they do. Some as zombies, true, but nonetheless.

That’s why hope for Honduras, in my opinion, has two grounds for optimism.

ONE, the fact that one of the poorest country in Latin America, and that was already saturated by violent gangs and the same demagaguery as Venezuela, Peru, Ecuador, and even Argentina and Brazil, nonetheless pushed back against the tyranny.

TWO, they worked quickly to find a way to bring Honduras out of the vicious poverty swamp. They scoured the world and brought people from Chile to share how they became the first Latin American developed country. They investigated the examples of South Korea (contrast with North Korea) and Hong Kong and China’s special economic zones (that copy the HK model), Singapore, that became prosperous while their neighbors sank in the mire.

The politics is noisy in Honduras right now, and the dirty laundry is now public, but it was always thus. It’s just that after 2009, they have to stay clean, at least until the sons of the Chavez-Zelaya-Castro marriage grab a majority or plurality.

It was always much WORSE in fact. I have certain knowledge that many of the Congress years past were into the kinds of business that would make Al Capone blush. And that includes some of those now demanding “democracy” from the controlling coalition.

Fighting over the spoils of conquest is what this is, and people must push back against any government having any power at all to loot anybody.

Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the  blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised…

Matthew 17:²⁴ And when they were come to Capernaum, they that received tribute money came to Peter, and said, Doth not your master pay tribute?

²⁵ He saith, Yes. And when he was come into the house, Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute? of their own children, or of strangers?

²⁶ Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free.

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Open letter to Marco Caceres of Honduras — and why “Model Cities” is good for Honduras

Hondurans opposing Manuel Zelaya. (Photo credit: Wikipedia). The demonstrations were massive like this all across Honduras to the smallest villages…

“Zelaya and Chavez STAY OUT”, “We want peace”, “We want peace”, “peace!”. Demonstration July 1, 2009 at the UN offices in Tegucigalpa, Honduras. (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

Marco,

I was really disappointed with your article I found at Huffington Post.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marco-caceres/the-piecemeal-sale-of-hon_b_3671476.html

Clever, huh? No. More like stupid. The problem is that the law was hastily approved — as are most controversial laws in Honduras. And it was done so out of desperation, because the Lobo administration has not figured out how to pay off its financial obligations to its creditors and public employees. Also, the details of the law have not been made public, and so there are a lot of unanswered questions as to how it would be implemented.

The law has already created a furor in Honduras, sparking new accusations that the government is essentially moving to sell off Honduras in piecemeal fashion (like with the “Model Cities” initiative), and that those who would benefit would not be the Honduran people but rather a few well-positioned officials who would undoubtedly line their pockets with millions of dollars in bribes and commissions. The country would remain indebted, as it currently is (or more). In the meantime, it would open itself for additional exploitation (some might use the word “rape”) by foreigners. The losers? Yeah.

As an aside, although I was glad to see your opposition to Zelaya’s dictatorial attitude, and his attempt to usurp power completely.  I did part ways with your concession to the word “coup”. The Honduran constitution made advocacy of presidential re-election a condition that caused the immediate and automatic removal from any government office of the advocate of same. That meant he was a usurper and by continuing to act as president, it was HIS coup, and it is the point most define-able as such.

Your comments there did not tell the whole story. They did not mention that Hondurans involved in planning the second go-round in this project visited model cities in Korea and elsewhere to study their approach to crawling out of poverty. You did not mention the fact that anyone investing in these model cities in special zones will have to hire a minimum percentage of Hondurans for any enterprise.

You especially did not mention that ANY HONDURAN CITY THAT WANTS TO can become one of these model cities themselves just by voting in a referendum.

You did not mention the especially revealing fact that one of the objections raised by representatives of their respective departamentos, was the fear that all their businessmen would abandon them, preferring to live in a zone that was truly open for business and not for “tips” and paperwork and other arbitrary measures that steal productivity away from those who treat their employees fairly.

In fact, your very objection would be a good reason to abolish all of the currently open-for-business free zones along the coast, where FOREIGN businesses already own lots of production capital goods tarriff-free, providing a great number of jobs for Honduran citizens, with little objection.

In fact Honduras followed a plan before doing this, that I myself had suggested during the time Lobo was asking for suggestions on how Honduras could crawl out from under the burden of poverty. My suggestion was to look to countries that have done it. Some missionaries who live in Chile have told me that the changes have been dramatic. South Korea is one of the riches countries in the world, North Korea one of the poorest. Hong Kong is an island of luxury surrounding by an ocean of poor, still struggling under the heavy burden of central control.

And you did not mention that a great many Hondurans enthusiastically support this initiative. They see relief from economic doldrums in this, because there is reality in it. Foreign investment is only a small part of this story. The investment that comes in will only be seed money –if the project can be protected from meddling by people who think only a government can do good things for the poor.

By the way, how’s that workin’ out for ya? Chavez not only refused to encourage foreign investment, he kicked out what there was and started scaring off so many of his own productive citizens that he had to clamp down with currency controls. What a champion for the poor! How’s that working out for poor Venezuelans?

And they criticize about crime? You know how government’s central planners fixed that in murderous Caracas, don’t you? They stopped reporting the numbers altogether!

And wow, look at the United States and Lyndon Johnsons’ War on poverty and Roosevelts’ freedom from want. How’s that working out for us in the United States? Bah. Keep that change and give me the one Honduras is now working on. My wife has made a catracho out of me and I plan to get my passport and retire to Honduras.

And nobody can say “Hondurans” are against this, afraid of that, blah blah, because we KNOW that the representatives of the Honduran people voted OVERWHELMINGLY in favor of this project.

In summary this is good for Honduras, I’m sure of it, because there was some good roots going into it.

If only we can keep it free from this misguided anti-capitalist meme that has deceived so many.

I was so proud, God help me, in 2009, that I had married a girl from Honduras, when they stood up to the piti-Chavez. I am excited for Honduras again now, and if nothing else comes of this, it still is a pleasure because so many congressmen voted for it.

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Why Niels Gerson Lohman is never going to visit the US again–America’s loss

I’m writing this in reaction to the article found here:
http://dasmag.nl/why-i-will-never-return-to-the-usa/

Some of us are battling the idiotic mind-set of the new oligarchs here in the land of the formerly free.

But you could have it worse in between “stacks of Bibles“? Maybe it’s a B&B owned by an enthusiastic couple on the subject, but in those pages are pronouncements of judgments against very un-Christian minds in a post-Christian land (the USA) which is entering its pagan phases.

You were accosted by border patrol agents schooled in the first generation in which Bibles were banned, the Ten Commandments are banned (“Love thy neighbor as thyself”), and prayer is banned. (“…as we forgive others their trespasses against us..”)

The US has lost the Christian heritage that motivated St. Patrick to return to the land of his slavers in Ireland and shame the islands and eventually the entire continent into giving it up.

The love of God motivated John Hess to accept burning at the stake rather than give up his campaign against Papal tyranny, and Martin Luther to defy the same tyrants, and that motivated Isaac Newton to advance science as the best evidence for the Creator for young men.

And it is the Christian principle of the Golden Rule that drew Christians in growing numbers to Ron Paul in 2008 and 2012 (including yours truly), and drives true Biblical Christians today to demand the end to the money-changers’ counterfeit operations in the Federal Reserve, the stealth-tax theft of inflation here and in Europe, and to look upon newcomers with favor.

I look forward to Honduras‘ model cities project, which looks like it is going to happen, because my wife is from there. I happen to know of some of the liberty-minded economists and other experts that were consulted in the planning of the legislation and who have some input into its implementation (I hope). They are liberty minded folks. Possibly they will form new pockets of freedom, and with freedom prosperity, that the small country needs.

In fact, for Niels, I would recommend a visit to the Bay Islands of Roatan and Utila, and if you like quiet, waters that are even more transparent to view the bottom, and nature, you might like Guajara, a smaller and less-visited place. Honduras also has the second-largest coral reef in the world off the coast.

I know that there are a good number of ex-pats in Honduras in the coastal areas and along the roads that lead to the Ruinas de Copan. They are the remains of an ancient Mayan settlement and temple.

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