From a Christian that still believes in a pre-tribulation rapture:
[“pre-tribber”:] God is not a wife beater!
[my response] Tell that to the 100s of 1000s of witnesses who shed blood in the first centuries, or the tens of millions of victims of Satan’s Communist regimes of the 20th century and this one.
[pre-tribber:] My response: Sure, I tell them when I get to heaven and see them. And they’ll agree with me because in all of that bloodshed of the martyrs, it was man who persecuted them with his wrath. Not God. But in the time of Jacob’s trouble (the Biblical term for the 7 year period) it is God who pours out His wrath on men. Just read Revelation. It is Jesus who is breaking the seals, summoning the trumpets, and pouring the vials. The spotless and pure body of Christ cannot be beat up by God. So, yeah, God is not a wife beater. Even the martyrs would say, “Amen!”
You’re the one who protested that God is not a wife beater as if he would not allow his children to suffer persecution in this life. Since when has he saved his people from all natural disasters, or even all the consequences of the natural disasters that we call “acts of God”?
I never said the saints would be the target of the Tribulation, but Jesus indeed did say (Mat. 24)
That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.-Matthew 5:45
God saved Noah and his family through the time of the Flood, not from the Flood.
Saints of God since the beginning of time have suffered cancer, floods, drought, accidents, falls, drowning of boats and ships, plagues, freezing, attacks by beasts, anything you can name for sure. I’ve known some saints myself who are with the Lord after such experiences.
AND GOD’S WORD PROMISES THAT THE SAINTS WILL SUFFER UNDER THE ANTICRHIST REIGN:
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.–Revelation 13:7
I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;-Daniel 7:21
And after Jesus gave the signs of the end, and spoke of the Tribulation in Matthew 24, he went on to Matthew 24:33, where he said in this PRIVATE class to his DISCIPLES ONLY (See verse 1)
So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.-Matt 24:33
When YE shall see ALL these things…
And then he warns against false prophets. In my view that includes Cyrus Scofield, the Bible perversions of Darby, and who hated the Bible and preferred the “better” interpretations. It includes many filthy lucre covetous televangelists, it includes the Vatican usurper and their own Virgin vision-seers. And the Word does warn that in the last days there will be those who protest in the end that they cast out devils, and healed in the Lord’s name and He never knew them.
Jesus said “By their fruits ye shall know them”. The Pharisees were oh so holy and rebuked Jesus and the disciples for violating the minor points of the law and their own traditions. They strain at gnats and swallow camels.
I suggest you follow Jesus’ admonition in Luke 9:50 “And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.” Which was the Lord’s response to verse 49 “And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us.”
“He shall be saved out of it” (Jer 30:7) is not enough to say it is a gathering together and catching up in the clouds, especially since that would contradict the promises that the saints will be on the earth during the Antichrist rule and his persecution and that he will overcome them. It rains on the just and on the unjust just like it rained 40 days and nights upon the Ark, while Noah and family were protected from the Flood, “saved out of it”.
And now a specific number of days that refers to the three and a half years of the Tribulation after the Beast breaks the “holy covenant” in Daniel 9:27.
“And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.+ – Daniel 7:25