Honduras: The True Story

The following is a CC of a note I wrote to Justin Raimundo in response to his article about Honduras, where he describes the arrest of president Manuel Zelaya in 2009 for numerous fiscal, corruption, and other high crimes as a “coup” engineered by the CIA while Hillary Cinton was Secretary of State. This would be laughable for most Hondurans who remember the events, as she is regarded by most as trying to force Zelaya the leftist back to power.

He refers to the recent 2017 election of incumbent Juan Orlando Hernandez as if it were Opposition candidate Nasralla who was elected which he was not. My explanation of events is below, now that the independent institution TSE –Tribunal Supremo Electoral– has officially declared Juan Orlando Hernandez, the incumbent president, of the Partido Nacional, as official president-elect.

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Good morning Justin,

First, many kudos for your persistent and perceptive reporting on the underbelly of the war machine, and on the creatures of the shadows that intervene everywhere. We agree on almost everything you post.

I’m anarcho-capitalist. I’ve been anti-war ever since the days of the Vietnam War, when I was in college as a Communist, through my missionary years, and now as an anarchist. I agree about the monstrous interventions of the CIA everywhere in the world, including in Latin America during the past two centuries.

If you are going to issue opinions and pronouncements about Honduras, however, I’m sure you would be interested in the true facts of the events there surrounding elections in 2017 as well as 2009.

My wife is from Honduras. I just want to clarify some things about Honduras, in reaction to your recent writing about it.

I followed the political events very closely in 2009, and now of course in 2017. One of the most amazing things I observed that year in 2009, was how ubiquitous, even unanimous, were all the governments in the world and all the major news agencies in the world, in their flipping the truth on its head in their reporting on Honduras.

Most of the world following events in Honduras elections have been robbed of the truth of it:

I’ll be making another update to my blog about Honduras, but my last post on the elections and background was on December 2, as linked here. There are links to past blog posts on the subject:
Elections in Honduras: The Left Riots, Loots, Burns At Losing in the Counting:
https://trutherator.wordpress.com/2017/12/02/elections-in-honduras/

Please indulge me a bit of emphasis:

There are many tens of millions of Latin Americans, who, although they do not understand Austrian economics or libertarian philosophy, nevertheless do understand that socialism multiplies poverty.

This is especially true after the examples of Cuba and more so now Venezuela become so in-your-face now. Even ever “left”-leaning Jorge Ramos of Univision that tried to embarrass Trump early on by asking questions out of turn, that guy, stumped Opposition “Alliance” candidate Salvador Nasralla about his earlier comments that everything was just fine in Venezuela, no problems!

In 2009 something very strange was happening from the perspective of those who watch out for CIA shenanigans. American intervention flipped from supporting “rightists” to “leftists” in Honduras. After Zelaya failed to offer a budget as required, he began the strategy he must have learned from his new buddy Hugo Chavez, in Santo Domingo at the Central-America-Caribbean presidential summit, where flaming interventionist socialist George Soros was keynote speaker.

During 2009, he advocated publicly for a referendum on a constitutional convention, but educated Hondurans understood he wanted to become another Chavista dictator. All during 2009 to June, he issued dictates to the administration, diverted tax revenues and the parts of the government that would obey him to work on his “referendum”.

The American Ambassador to Honduras Hugo Llorens, who was a “diplomat” in Venezuela when Chavez won his first elections there, in Honduras in 2009 declared his support for Zelaya‘s Chavez-style leftist constitutional convention idea. A clear item in evidence he meant it was the fact that Hugo Llorens was in a meeting with Zelaya the night before he was to pull off his now redubbed “survey”. The American Ambassador to Honduras Hugo Llorens even appeared in commercials promoting it.

That’s when the Army delivered the Supreme Court order, requested earlier by the “Fiscal General” (a Ruby).

Zelaya was caught on neighbors’ photos marching out of the Palace under arrest IN A COMPLETE SUIT. There were reports that The OAS Secretary General, Jose Miguel Insulza, “political adviser” to Communist Salvador Allende, and advocate of Fidel Castro, who kept condemning the arrest “in pajamas” until he met with President Micheletti who showed him the photos.

The Army served the arrest order on Zelaya without much trouble –a few shots were exchanged with his personal guard before they left– on that Sunday

Later, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton placed a personal call to “Interim President” Roberto Micheletti to order him to resign and restore Chavista-leftist Zelaya to the presidency.

Micheletti: No.
HRC: But…blah blah… international community.. blah blah..
Micheletti: No.
HRC: “What will it take to get you to resign?” (hint hint)
Micheletti: “Nothing.”
When she repeated the veiled offer and asked again, he said “Only an invasion”.

Hugo Chavez also offered Micheletti $3 million to resign, refused.

Hondurans MASSIVELY marched –peacefully– against all of Zelaya’s efforts. If the CIA spent one cent for this it was massively wasted, like paying a hummingbird to fly.

June 28, 2009, Zelaya was arrested and in my opinion chose exile rather than go to prison for his multiple crimes in office. He said later he was forced into exile. The only other option was a trial, and imprisonment, where there was no lack of inmates who hated his guts by then. He never once risked his own life, limb or liberty, but agitated his followers into danger, AS HE DID AGAIN IN 2017.

2017

The UN, the US, the whole world then pecked and pecked on Honduras until they made an agreement to let him come back to the country without arresting him for massive grand larceny and for the other crimes.

He continues his agitation, and he is the manipulator and intellectual author whispering in Nasralla’s ear.

Just like happened in the U. S. in November 2016:

The first ballots came from the cities, where the socialist “Alliance” has strong support from the barrios. The ballots that came later were from more rural areas, where everybody in Honduras knows support for the “Partido Nacional” has overwhelming support. That’s why the first results skewed heavy toward the Opposition and the later balloting in favor of PN. and the surge that closed the difference in thee middle was apparently when votes came in from Juan Orlando’s area, Lempira, Santa Barbara and nearby.

For example, nobody is disputing either the votes for the other offices, except for just one seat in the Legislature and maybe one mayor, if I’m remembering right.

And looky here: THE MAJORITY OF OTHER VOTES FOR MAYORS IN THIS ELECTION WENT FOR THE INCUMBENT PRESIDENT’S PARTY AND MORE PARTIDO NACIONAL DIPUTADOS WERE ELECTED THAN ALIANZA.

ALL parties had exact copies of ALL the count sheets and ALL parties including the Opposition had people present at ALL the polling stations in ALL the country and they ALL signed off at each polling place on the count sheets.

So the Opposition demanded a recount of the last 1,000 sheets, and Juan Orlando got a bigger margin of a few votes. With Opposition parties participating. So they demanded a recount of the last 5,000 sheets. Which they got after a two-day pause caused by the absence of the Opposition. The 2nd recount gave the incumbent an even bigger margin.

Zelaya had already started the ball rolling asking for demonstrations, but after the second partial recount he called for Nasralla’s supporters to “mobilize” to support the “elected” president Nasralla.

The supporters knew what he meant, including the MS-13 and 18 gangs who Nasralla said where “my friends” (his words). The supporters went to the streets, burned down a police station in one town, sent a dozen policemen to the hospital, rained rocks down on police that came to clear streets and drive them away from the stores they were looting and vandalizing. They set fire to one church that was quickly put out. They beat up a lot of people too, to keep them off the street and to stop economic activity.

A lot of them are paid. In fact, President and President-Elect Juan Orlando Hernandez has announced a reward for anybody that can give verifiable information about where that money for those protests came from.

In 2009, there was so much Chavez money coming into the country to pay for marchers and rioters (free food too!) that the lempira rose a full ten percent against the dollar. My wife’s nephew took advantage of it a couple of days.

The reason Juan Orlando has so much admiration is that he has been cracking down on the gangs. He has built at least one super-max for these brutal animals. Nasralla and his puppet master Zelaya as Hondurans generally regard him, promise to empty the prisons of the gang members and tear down the super-max.

I don’t have to tell you that a great many Hondurans, majority even, do NOT want more of these gangs making the streets so dangerous again. Some years agone, they were butchering whole families in home invasions, literally cutting the bodies into pieces and leaving them to be found later.

I very much doubt the CIA, trying to wreak vengeance upon the president that defeated their socialist Crown Heir of the presidency, has been holding leftists back in Honduras. They’re probably giving up on Zelaya as they apparently have Hillary Clinton.

Maduro hasn’t though, he sent 145 Venezuelan “advisers” to Honduras to help the Opposition. In 2009 they were already setting up some camps to train guerrillas. One trainer had the chutzpah to brag about it in an email list of American expats, who cheered for the Hondurans in a soccer match with the US. The “trainer” quit immediately when I asked where the money for this was coming from.

ZELAYA’S WHISPERER

My wife was a classmate of Zelaya in high school. In one class she remembers he told the class he was going to be president one day and the entire class burst out in raucous laughter, because he was the slowest bulb in the class, and maybe the whole school.

My wife is certain he could not be coordinating all this mayhem by himself. His Secretary of State in 2005-2009 years, Patricia Rodas, has always been around close by in his political activities. Most of the middle class in Honduras figure she is the mastermind. She got her university education in Cuba.

HORCONES

Zelaya comes from the region in Honduras with a most fearsome reputation. Almost all the ranchers are well-armed and are not concerned about the useless police, because it is a region where they have to protect their property period. My wife’s family moved there and lost everything because her father refused to start any tit for tat with the people who were carting off chickens, corn and the rest of it. They finally moved to Tegucigalpa.

There’s no gang there in Olancho. There was for a few weeks, until the first murder of a rancher’s son. That was the end of the gangs there.

But Zelaya was only 15 when his father committed the mass murder of some 15 religious leaders, priests, nuns, students. Their vehicle broke down on a road trip for some activity, late at night, and they requested shelter for the night at the closest nearby dwelling, where Manuel Zelaya, the ex-president’s father, resided, as he was known in the community.

After a nun rebuffed his advances, he killed them all, with a couple of people helping. He went about town trying to find a bakery or food business that would let him use their ovens and nobody wanted to help. That included my wife’s mother at the time.

The next day they found out why he wanted them, because a ranch hand happened to see saw the elder Zelaya digging graves for the 15 bodies from a hide in the trees nearby. The ranch hand the next day went to the biggest local radio station and told his story to the whole town. (The police were useless). With all the publicity, he was arrested along with some accomplices. The sentence was 20 years in prison, but spent about one year when released as part of an amnesty for military crimes.

Then about 30 years later, the son, Zelaya Jr. (who visited his father often in prison), had his own amnesty engineered by an international community that does not care if Zelaya and his followers burn down the whole country and unleash two of the nastiest gangs in history upon the innocent.

3 Responses to “Honduras: The True Story”

  1. Safariman Says:

    Excellent and truthful analysis of the situation. I have lived in Honduras 23 years now, and have a business. We are overburdened with bureaucracy, and big business influence in government to make competition difficult. It approaches Fascism in reality, but sadly this is practically the norm around the world.

    Certainly we are much better off than we would be with XXI Century Socialism. When I came here and saw the wealth of the Nation, unexploited natural resources, good land, etc. I thought we’d exit the third world. Unfortunately the bureaucracy has prevented this too. Sad situation really.

  2. trutherator Says:

    Thank you Safariman,

    Thanks for your input.

    I understand of course about the way the bureaucracy and the rules tilt toward the big business. Although I’d bet it seems some things are easier than here in the States.

    There is still some less-than-stellar figures in Juan Orlando’s administration. We know one or two! I hope things get better.

    I couldn’t avoid the post looking like I was a supporter of the incumbent party. That’s why I put up front that I’m an anarcho-capitalist. I sent this in an email as mentioned to Justin Raimundo of the anti-war blog at http://www.anti-war.com and copied Lew Rockwell too. If they ask for me how I reconcile it with the N. A. P. I’ll post that.

    If they do the ZEDE zones right, that will be a BIG boost to Honduras, most especially for the fortunate ones that get to work in them.

    My email, for you and those who wish to email me, is trutherator at gmail dot com. (Warning: I may remove it from this comment later)

  3. Safariman Says:

    Excelent Trutherator. We will stay in contact. Asia is the place where the sun is rising today. América and Europe on downhill side…easy entry into business, less costly and less bureaucracy.

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