Yes, overcounting was a problem in 2016; Jill Stein’s recount shows Trump won by bigger true margins than reported

Yes, there were really bad counts in the 2016 election. From Detroit News:

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/12/records-many-votes-detroits-precincts/95363314/

Voting machines in more than one-third of all Detroit precincts registered more votes than they should have during last month’s presidential election, according to Wayne County records prepared at the request of The Detroit News. [my note:

Detailed reports from the office of Wayne County Clerk Cathy Garrett show optical scanners at 248 of the city’s 662 precincts, or 37 percent, tabulated more ballots than the number of voters tallied by workers in the poll books. Voting irregularities in Detroit have spurred plans for an auditby Michigan Secretary of State Ruth Johnson’s office, Elections Director Chris Thomas said Monday.

Detroit’s voting irregularities spur state audit

The Detroit precincts are among those that couldn’t be counted during a statewide presidential recount that began last week and ended Friday following a decision by the Michigan Supreme Court.

Democrat Hillary Clinton overwhelmingly prevailed in Detroit and Wayne County. But Republican President-elect Donald Trump won Michigan by 10,704 votes or 47.5 percent to 47.3 percent.

Overall, state records show 10.6 percent of the precincts in the 22 counties that began the retabulation process couldn’t be recounted because of state law that bars recounts for unbalanced precincts or ones with broken seals.

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Note that last paragraph. The recount law appears to be written by hacks that plan to commit fraud, because if the actual ballots happen to be in “unbalanced precincts”, as it was in this case, then the original (and obviously really bad counts) are allowed to stand, because any recount is doubtful. Really?

The counts were off so bad, in other words, that whoever hacked the actual count somehow is successful?

That is why the verification of the count should be done on the spot in the counting. And the votes themselves should be on paper ballots so that the counting of the ballots can be watched in real time and not a count of invisible bits. I’ve worked on vote tabulation software, but each of the precincts wrote down the results which were typed into the programming. But the precinct counts were done.

The problems were the worst in Detroit, where discrepancies meant officials couldn’t recount votes in 392 precincts, or nearly 60 percent. And two-thirds of those precincts had too many votes.

So a great many of those precincts had too many votes, and the original (and obviously very wrong) counts were left to stand.

In one of them, they had a count of more than 300 votes, but there were only 50 ballots inside a sealed box.

The worst problems were in areas where the counts wen t overwhelmingly for Clinton. Does this surprise anybody?

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