Socialism is evil

One author, Rick Phillips, has a web page where he talks about why socialism is evil:

He gives three summary reasons, and they are good ones:
1. Socialism is based on stealing.
2. Socialism is an anti-work system.
3. Socialism concentrates the power to do evil.

Rick expands with much detail that I agree with.

The web page is worth reading:
http://www.reformation21.org/blog/2016/02/socialism-is-evil.php

1. Socialism is theft. Taxation is theft. Theft is what it is to take property that belongs to someone without having his permission. Taking wealth under threat of taxation law enforcement is theft.

Christ said give to Caesar what belongs to him, but what does Caesar have that he did not steal whether by sword, conquest, or occupation?

If John Calvin or any other Christian teacher advocate government, it was because they did not realize the implications in Christ and the Bible.

High interest rates hurt the poor for sure, which is why a good Christian should advocate sound, value-based currency like gold.

2. The Puritans found that Acts 2:34-35 and Acts 4 works in some contexts, but not all, and that material incentives are vital for motivation. They tried it and almost disappeared. Then they tried private property plots and had abundance TO SHARE.

Some people work hard at establishing socialist rule, but the welfare state and the Venezuelan results show the results.

3. Socialism concentrates rule in the hands of a few.

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11 Responses to “Socialism is evil”

  1. justaluckyfool Says:

    Capitalism, properly administrated would be one of the greatest economic achievements of mankind.

    Answers to your questions-“In eight words, or read one book”
    THE K.I.S.SOLUTION TO DECREASE INEQUALITY GAPS, POVERTY, and NATIONAL DEBT.
    IN EIGHT WORDS – -A CAPITALISTIC ECONOMY WITH A HONEST CENTRAL BANK.
    WHY WOULD YOU NOT WANT PROSPERITY FOR YOURSELF AND YOUR CHILDREN ?

    “Capitalism is an economic system based on private ownership of the means of production and
    the creation of goods and services for profit.[1] Central characteristics of capitalism include
    private property, capital accumulation, wage labour and competitive markets.[2][3] In a capitalist
    market economy, investments are determined by private decision and the parties to a transaction
    typically determine the prices at which they exchange assets, goods, and services.[4]”(Wikipedia).
    WHAT WE DO WITH THE WEALTH DETERMINES WHETHER WE ARE OR ARE NOT FOR
    THE BETTERMENT OF ALL MANKIND; THE WAY WE ADMINISTER THE SYSTEM IS THE ISSUE!
    “Capitalism is the “best” system to date devised by mankind. As it is administrated, perhaps, is where
    the “flaw” is manifested. If capitalism used its Central Bank properly,that is for the betterment
    of the common good, with equality and justice for all, capitalism would be the best ways and means
    to help “form a more perfect union….”,
    SOLUTION.
    “LEGISLATE FOR “We the People” WHAT WE HAD LEGISLATED THE CENTRAL BANK TO DO FOR
    THE Private For Profit Banks (PFPB) !
    ISSUE OUR OWN MONEY AS LOANS AND CHARGE A TAX CALLED INTEREST ! ! ! ”
    Create an honest Central Bank that shall fund-
    ““We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity,…””
    When a honest Central Bank uses “QE” for the betterment of the community in a capitalistic economy, it will be the greatest system ever devised by mankind.
    FREE DOWNLOAD: “The Role Of Money”
    ”http://archive.org/…/role…/roleofmoney032861mbp_djvu.txt

    ***** “Believe nothing merely because you have been told it…But whatsoever,
    after due examination and analysis,you find to be kind, conducive to the good,
    the benefit,the welfare of all beings – that doctrine believe and cling to,and
    take it as your guide.”- Buddha[Gautama Siddharta] (563 – 483 BC),
    Comments by Justaluckyfool ( http://bit.ly/MlQWNs )(justaluckyfool@aol.com, please due examination and analysis.)

    “There never was an idea stated
    that woke men out of their stupid indifference
    but its originator was spoken of as a crank.”
    — Oliver Wendell Holmes, Sr.
    (1809-1894) American Poet

    .***Read and challenge, Noble Laureate for Physics.(Excerpt from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Soddy
    “In four books written from 1921 to 1934, Soddy carried on a “quixotic campaign for a radical restructuring of global monetary relationships”[this quote needs a citation], offering a perspective on economics rooted in physics—the laws of thermodynamics, in particular—and was “roundly dismissed as a crank”[this quote needs a citation]. While most of his proposals – “to abandon the gold standard, let international exchange rates float, use federal surpluses and deficits as macroeconomic policy tools that could counter cyclical trends, and establish bureaus of economic statistics (including a consumer price index) in order to facilitate this effort” – are now conventional practice, his critique of fractional-reserve banking still “remains outside the bounds of conventional wisdom”[this quote needs a citation]. Soddy wrote that financial debts grew exponentially at compound interest…”
    http://archive.org/stream/roleofmoney032861mbp/roleofmoney032861mbp_djvu.txt

    Have the American financial system rush to the rescue with a generous and flexible legal funding that no other country could match.
    Not a bailout.
    Not a cost to all the taxpayers.
    Not an increase in deficit spending.
    Rather a magic economic proven golden bullet, (Bernanke should get Noble for this).
    QE!
    A simple change in direction of doing something for the common bettering of all the people. Especially those in need now.
    The FEDS did in fact QE for the Private For Profit Banks.
    The FEDS made direct purchase of bank assets.

    Reverse “ an economic recovery program that has privileged the recovery of financial markets and corporate profits has fueled the increase in wealth inequality, in the United States and across the world.”, reverse that program,have it fund” …a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity,…”
    “Capitalism is the “best” system to date devised by mankind. As it is administrated, perhaps, is where the “flaw” is manifested. If capitalism used its Central Bank properly,that is for the betterment of the common good, with equality and justice for all, capitalism would be the best ways and means to help “form a more perfect union….”,(?Qote?)

    SOLUTION.
    “LEGISLATE FOR “We the People” WHAT WE HAD LEGISLATED THE CENTRAL BANK TO DO FOR THE Private For Profit Banks (PFPB) ! ISSUE OUR OWN MONEY AS LOANS AND CHARGE A TAX CALLED INTEREST ! ! ! ”
    Create an honest Central Bank that shall fund-
    ““We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity,…””
    When a honest Central Bank uses “QE” for the betterment of the community in a capitalistic economy, it will be the greatest system ever devised by mankind.
    FREE DOWNLOAD: “The Role Of Money”
    ”http://archive.org/…/role…/roleofmoney032861mbp_djvu.txt
    http://www.archive.org/stream/roleofmoney032861mbp/roleofmoney032861mbp_djvu.txt

  2. trutherator Says:

    That’s a long comment there, buddy. Next time I’d ask for a little less. But “In the multitude of words there wanteth not sin”, so it says in Proverbs, and your conclusion means you must review your words and correct the flaw.

    A central bank using QE by definition can NOT be “the greatest system” because fiat currency only “works” while people trust it. Nobody trusts them today.

    Audit the Fed, then END THE FED!

    • justaluckyfool Says:

      trutherator,”A central bank using QE by definition can NOT be “the greatest system” because fiat currency only “works” while people trust it. Nobody trusts them today.
      But the Fed is not the one that needs to be trusted now. We have legislated “In God we trust to In Private for Profit Banks We trust”
      Reverse “ an economic recovery program that has privileged the recovery of financial markets and corporate profits has fueled the increase in wealth inequality, in the United States and across the world.”, reverse that program ! Give back that ‘trust’ to thepeople via a Honest Central Bank …by definition, a bank that will be trusted.

  3. trutherator Says:

    Not for nothing Karl Marx made a “Central Bank” owned by the government one of his ten listed points of the “Communist Manifesto”.

    The myth of a dictatorship by central planners over the economy, as if a few men could anticipate an entire public’s future behaviors, is hocus-pocus. It would require dictats like the old Soviets used to do, and like all kinds of mini-turf federal agencies in the U.S. today.

    Central planning inevitably forces banned economic exchanges into a black market, and the distortions in central planning leads to excess production of some items and major shortages in others. It’s inevitable.

    With a central bank, “the people” will have no more control over the power base or the human factor than “the people” have now. “The people” can’t even get an Audit the Fed bill passed in the Congress of their “elected representatives”.

    Even Bernie Sanders is mum. Dennis Kucinich was as leftist as they come, but at least he co-sponsored the bills to Audit the Fed with Ron Paul.

    Socialism and its socialist lite cousin the welfare state are based on the foolish idea that stealing from Mr. Smith is going to work for helping Mr. Jones. Not gonna work.

    • justaluckyfool Says:

      Quote, “Not for nothing Karl Marx made a “Central Bank” owned by the government one of his ten listed points of the “Communist Manifesto”.
      Then surely, you can understand the difference between a HONEST CENTRAL BANK and a DISHONEST CENTRAL BANK.
      One that is the guardian versus one that steals the wealth of the nation.

  4. trutherator Says:

    Fiat currency created by any kind of committee or agency of any kind is by definition dishonest. It is not worth anything. It is based on the pure coercion of the force monopoly of a government.

    The only “honest currency” is one that economic actors (individuals) value for its own worth without coercion. Gold and silver were always good for this because they had their own value for many uses, they are very durable and don’t corrode, so they are trusted to keep value.

    Fiat currency always follows the history of the Zimbabwe currency, and the German mark before World War 2.

    Trust not in man, whose breath is in his nostrils.

    • justaluckyfool Says:

      Quote, “Fiat currency created by any kind of committee or agency of any kind is by definition dishonest..”
      This is a false statement and any hypothesis based upon this statement must be deemed false.
      Fiat currency by definition is neither honest or dishonest since it is merely a receipt (no matter what physical form), a receipt for something someone gives up in order to get or exchange for anything at a future time. EVEN gold would be a fiat currency,
      that is something given up for exchange for anything today for the taker to use as a receipt to exchange for anything at a future date.
      The dishonesty occurs when any entity issues a “receipt”
      created out of thin air, while making a “fictitious” claim they are ‘giving up’ any value of their own.
      IMHO, an interpretation of Frederick Soddy’s writing.
      Fiat currency created by a Monetary Sovereign government
      that uses a honest (read honest) Central Bank as the sole creator
      of its own currency is by definition “honest”.
      Honest being it is aware that the money is already owned by the full membership of the sovereignty and the Central Bank is the GUARDIAN of that Total Wealth.
      Then and only then will it be understood what “In God We Trust”
      means.
      As you have requested, I will end this comment.
      Please, any profound reply.

  5. trutherator Says:

    > Quote, “Fiat currency created by any kind of committee or agency of any kind is by definition dishonest..”
    > This is a false statement and any hypothesis based upon this statement must be deemed false.
    > Fiat currency by definition is neither honest or dishonest since it is merely a receipt (no matter what physical form), a receipt for something someone gives up in order to get or exchange for anything at a future time. EVEN gold would be a fiat currency,
    > that is something given up for exchange for anything today for the taker to use as a receipt to exchange for anything at a future date.

    The dishonesty is in claiming that the fiat currency has any value at all, other than “Take this in payment because I say so or else”. Any government monopoly grant over an exchange medium by necessity means a dictatorship over what one uses as currency.

    Bitcoin can be called an “honest currency” because it is not enforced by government coercion.

    Gold is honest because people value it for other uses, not just as an exchange base.

    The dishonesty is also with saying that it has any stable value guaranteed by a “guardian”. Never trust a “guardian” based on coercion. Inflation is such a grandiose massive fraud. The dollar loses its value year over year. They even publish their audacity of theft in the official government formulas for calculating inflation rates. Inflation means the rich friends of the “guardians” of fiat currency are ROBBING the housewife and family spending power of what they can buy.

    We get 98 percent as much in groceries as last year with the Fed’s target of two percent inflation. That was value robbed in the form of new wealth for the friends and partners in stealth wealth theft on Wall Street and Madison Avenue.

    • justaluckyfool Says:

      *****”… based on coercion”
      ******…Never trust a “guardian” based on coercion
      Are you agreeing ?? The US dollar (read bitcoin) can be called an “honest currency” because it is not enforced by government coercion. NO ONE, must accept the US $, except the US government. The holder of a $ can exchange it upon demand for ANYTHING. PERIOD.
      Perhaps, maybe you did not read:
      * The dishonesty occurs when any entity issues a “receipt”
      created out of thin air, while making a “fictitious” claim they are ‘giving up’ any value of their own.
      IMHO, an interpretation of Frederick Soddy’s writing.
      Fiat currency created by a Monetary Sovereign government
      that uses a honest (read honest) Central Bank as the sole creator
      of its own currency is by definition “honest”.
      Honest being it is aware that the money is already owned by the full membership of the sovereignty and the Central Bank is the GUARDIAN of that Total Wealth.
      Then and only then will it be understood what “In God We Trust”
      means.
      Please add:
      By definition an “honest bank” can’t do the stated dishonesty!
      BTW:
      READ THE US CONSTITUTION:
      Discover that “In God We Trust” means that “abundant wealth exists”, Mankind has dominion over it,and we need only to properly administer it.
      ““Capitalism is the “best” system to date devised by mankind. As it is administrated, perhaps, is where
      the “flaw” is manifested. If capitalism used its Central Bank properly,that is for the betterment
      of the common good, with equality and justice for all, capitalism would be the best ways and means
      to help “form a more perfect union….”,(justaluckyfool@aol)

      • trutherator Says:

        A central bank is dishonest by its very nature, pretending omniscience in the performance of its morally perfect purported purpose. When in fact it is by definition based on forcing every single person that it claims “jurisdiction” over to conform to its monetary dictates.

        Nobody can know enough to guess the perfect price point for every fiat-currency mediated transaction in its purview. No way it can make perfect one-size fits all policy. It has never worked long range anywhere it has been tried through history. Market forces back it into a corner. As with a private monopoly central bank dictate regime, so goes a public central bank dictate regime. Human nature is human nature, market forces overcome rule by decree and whim.

        Besides all that, it is unjust to dictate terms for all market exchange, by force or threat of force. Fiat currency promise is a fraud, which is another form of theft.

  6. trutherator Says:

    *****”… based on coercion”
    ******…Never trust a “guardian” based on coercion

    The U.S. government put the guy who was selling “Ron Paul dollars” in prison for a time. The guy never pretended that it was a dollar as in Federal Deposit Note, never. That would have been crazy because the silver in those “Ron Paul dollars” was worth much more than a fiat currency NOTE from the Fed. THAT’S CALLED COERCION.

    Note that the US dollar is NOT bitcoin and bitcoin is NOT a Federal Reserve Note. The Federal Reserve Note is a fiat issue based on the full force of federal enforcement.

    And yes it’s based on coercion. First, they snuck the Federal Reserve Act into law in 1913 in the stealth quorum of Christmas Eve when honest Christian legislators were with their families. FD Roosevelt ordered all the gold confiscated across the country, compensated it at the then current rate of $25 per ounce. After the GRAND THEFT NATION of the gold was done, he declared the dollar would be valued at $32 per gold ounce. A big theft from the poor of the nation. The rich knew what was coming and hit their worth.

    Then came the Bretton Woods agreement where the nations’ central banks agreed to make the dollar the international currency at $32 an ounce but they would no longer give the citizen his gold for the dollar, only foreign banks. Bait and switch AGAIN.

    The Fed kept printing dollars without the gold to back them, Tricky Dick (Richard Milhouse Nixon) said we’re going to stop giving gold for dollars.

    That is a stealth fraud by little drips.

    >> The dishonesty occurs when any entity issues a “receipt”
    created out of thin air, while making a “fictitious” claim they are ‘giving up’ any value of their own.
    IMHO, an interpretation of Frederick Soddy’s writing.
    Fiat currency created by a Monetary Sovereign government
    that uses a honest (read honest) Central Bank as the sole creator
    of its own currency is by definition “honest”.

    Currency because the Big Boss Dictator, or the Big Boss President, says so, is FIAT by DEFINITION. Look at Venezuela today. No more oil to bring in dollars but they keep printing bolivares to cover government spending. People would deal in dollars if the bolivar were honest. It is honestly a stealth theft from the citizen subjects.

    > Honest being it is aware that the money is already owned by the full membership of the sovereignty and the Central Bank is the GUARDIAN of that Total Wealth. Then and only then will it be understood what “In God We Trust” means. Please add: By definition an “honest bank” can’t do the stated dishonesty!
    —-
    It sounds like you’re exposing what your god is. The god you trust is a human god in charge of what you call an “honest” bank. Whoever the “full membership of the sovereignty” is, it’s not me and it’s obviously not you, you’re just their echo, because 95 PERCENT of Americans would NEVER have approved of their “sovereign” bank giving away $18 TRILLION to foreign banks and private corporations like BOTH parties voted to do in 2008.

    And that was in SECRET. We would have never known without Ron Paul slamming at the issue and driving it onward.

    > BTW: READ THE US CONSTITUTION:

    The Constitution would be a good idea for you to read with attention. The ONLY specific currency authorized in the Constitution is the coinage of gold and silver.

    > Discover that “In God We Trust” means that “abundant wealth exists”, Mankind has dominion over it,and we need only to properly administer it.

    There is abundant wealth and CENTRAL PLANNING NEVER WORKS to administer ANYTHING.

    > ““Capitalism is the “best” system to date devised by mankind. As it is administrated, perhaps, is where the “flaw” is manifested. If capitalism used its Central Bank properly,that is for the betterment of the common good, with equality and justice for all, capitalism would be the best ways and means to help “form a more perfect union….”,(justaluckyfool@aol,
    —-
    Capitalism is no more than the practice of investing in capital goods to create consumer goods. It has certainly proven its potential throughout the Industrial Age in the 19th century, when production became ever more abundant, and unleashed resources for exploiting new technologies.

    There is nothing any central planners or administrators can do to use the monopoly of initiated force to help any free market or economic system improve anything. The collapse of the Soviet Union should have taught the lesson. That lesson was not that the US outspent them but the socialist nation had no way to incentivize production because command-and-control economies have no way to let the free market determine what will have consumer demand.

    Post note: We’ve been back and forth a few times on this post, and you’re only repeating yourself saying a government bank would be honest just because it would be a sovereign bank. You don’t even trust a private bank that has to answer to a sovereign government agency (I don’t either) but why trust somebody who doesn’t have to compete with anybody and has no way to figure what an honest price even for money is?

    A state-owned bank would have a bigger problem than the Fed has with the world’s mess right now. Negative interest rates now. It’s a world gone insane. They’re probably using it to get ready to require a chipped card to exchange electronic money with no cash allowed. Then they’ll require the chip embedded to save money on all the lost cards.

    So I’ve decided to close out this bilateral exchange with this response. You’re welcome to respond to other posts, but readers will not get much more from continuing this conversation.

    –For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth.–2 Cor. 13:8

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