Atheism, agnosticism: My “absence of belief” in “materialist sufficiency”

Is there any meaningful difference between “official atheism” and “atheism as an officially enforced ideology”?

Plus, from the reports I have seen out of North Korea by escapees, and even a few mainstream reports, clearly demonstrate an attitude of worship. One video clip taken by the only Western team I know of allowed some access, showed one poor lady thanking the now late Kim Jung-Il for everything she had, in soulful worshipful tone.

In my opinion, honest agnosticism can make a claim for “an absence of belief”. However, atheism is the negation of a belief (“said belief is not true”). Therefore atheism is a positive belief.

I have an “absence of a belief” that something comes from nothing. Carl Sagan said “The cosmos is all there is, all there ever was, all there ever will be”. That is quite a statement.

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2 Responses to “Atheism, agnosticism: My “absence of belief” in “materialist sufficiency””

  1. Atomic Mutant Says:

    a) Atheism is about belief. The lack of it, to be more exact, for most of us. Only some actually completely reject the possibility of a god (this tends to be called “strong atheism”).

    b) Agnosticism is about knowledge. The lack of the possibility to have it about a certain topic, to be more exact.

    c) You see that people belong to some cult but decide to concentrate on the claim that it is atheistic. Interesting. Personally, I just see another religion. If you call your divine figure “god”, “divine president” or whatever… Who cares?

    d) Ok, that’s nice. And if that was all you had, I would think that’s completely ok. It just becomes ridiculous when you claim that your “absence of a belief that something comes from nothing” is somehow connected to what going on in people’s bedrooms.

  2. trutherator Says:

    a) Atheism is about belief. The lack of it, to be more exact, for most of us. Only some actually completely reject the possibility of a god (this tends to be called “strong atheism”).

    ==> Yes, atheists have a belief that there is no god, nor God. This is not an “absence of belief” that some claim it is. It is the agnostic who can say he has a “lack of belief” on the subject, because he claims to have no convincing knowledge there is one or there is not one,

    b) Agnosticism is about knowledge. The lack of the possibility to have it about a certain topic, to be more exact.

    Okay. But the belief in the “lack of the possibility to” know one way or the other, is actually an assertion itself that does not cover all agnostics. Agnostic: “don’t know”, not the why.

    c) You see that people belong to some cult but decide to concentrate on the claim that it is atheistic. Interesting. Personally, I just see another religion. If you call your divine figure “god”, “divine president” or whatever… Who cares?

    I don’t know why you are saying this. The mention of North Korea was in answer to an atheist assertion elsewhere that atheism was not an official religion of hard-line Stalinism. But it was the religious philosophy of those governments, enforced materialism, requiring belief in spontaneous miracles.

    d) Ok, that’s nice. And if that was all you had, I would think that’s completely ok. It just becomes ridiculous when you claim that your “absence of a belief that something comes from nothing” is somehow connected to what going on in people’s bedrooms.

    I have no idea why you are replying that way. People’s beliefs of course obviously affect what goes on in their bedrooms, but I oppose every government in the world and yell every time I get a chance against any laws banning “victimless” crimes. And I especially despise government surveillance and police states. And socialist states.

    If you’re looking for a “oughta-be-a-law” moralizer to argue with, go somewhere else, like some Christian pro-war website or an Obama police state apologist.

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